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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3797 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Your tackling is about as innocuous as most of our current players. Sadly.

If it was so 'innocuous' why did you arc up so?

An important distinction. What Wingman MAV pointed out -- Epoch/Falon Gong/Qanon -- in response to your point of argument was to question the sources of your information. That is NOT playing the man, that is playing the ball.

You referred to Wingman MAV as 'petal' - that is condescension, which is personal, which is playing the man.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3798 –
Quote from: LP – on
We can't take anything offered by Dr Peter "HCQ" McCullough seriously, he's been discredited repeatedly for the last six months with every formal large scale study showing his original paper is worthless, at least in a scientific context, politically perhaps the paper is quite valuable when much of your funding comes from the certain right wing sources.

And yes, an R0 = 7.0 is about a magnitude more infectious than R0 = 2.5, so actually worse than 3x, the 3x Macron allegedly states, well maybe that a lost in translation moment, the question is was that a mistake on Dr HCQ's part of deviously manipulated for political purposes?

His original study?

This?

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(20)30673-2/fulltext

Show me where it's been canned, debunked whatever.....

You're just making stuff up again.....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3799 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
If it was so 'innocuous' why did you arc up so?

An important distinction. What Wingman MAV pointed out -- Epoch/Falon Gong/Qanon -- in response to your point of argument was to question the sources of your information. That is NOT playing the man, that is playing the ball.

You referred to Wingman MAV as 'petal' - that is condescension, which is person, which is playing the man.

Where did I arc up?

That article by Abir Ballan has been published widely in many different places (she has a Masters in public health and a background in public health, psychology, and education). - none of you has even once referenced any of the content. Not once.

The obfuscation by tying it to Falon Gong or Qanon or whatever is ludicrous.

Petal, condescension is Mav's middle name....fair crack.

Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3800 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
What would your version of the truth be?
@ElwoodBlues1‍ 

I don't have a version of anything, only accurate information

Pertussis, Diphtheria, Tetanus are bacterial infections, the technology and methods used to make those vaccines has no relationship to viral vaccines like AZ, Novavax and Pfizer. Whoever told you that lead you up the garden path of irrelevance. Researchers artificially insert bacterial fragments or proteins into a host like a yeast to create a vaccine.

Novavax and AZ are made by the same fundamental method, researchers artificially insert genes into a known human benign viral vectors like Adenovirus or Baculovirus.

Hep B vaccine is typically a blend of up to 6 distinct vaccines that are all made by a variety of different methods, it pretty much covers the lot including ones you list as safe and others you list as unsafe.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3801 –
Quote from: LP – on
@ElwoodBlues1‍

So do you want the truth, or would you prefer to stick with your beliefs?

Can you define what qualifies as the highlighted part?
Will I get Vaccinated?....Yes...when I think there is a vaccine/s that suits my criteria, needs and more data available to make that choice.


One with less serious side effects with relation to my/family medical history, that is more effective for longer periods between jabs and that is accepted clearly as the best by Medical opinion universally and not by defined what can produced more cheaply or will assist the time frame of the economic aspirations of the Government in my own country.
Here is another version of the truth......
 https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3802 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
One with less serious side effects with relation to my/family medical history, that is more effective for longer periods between jabs and that is accepted clearly as the best by Medical opinion universally and not by defined what can produced more cheaply or will assist the time frame of the economic aspirations of the Government in my own country.
Here is another version of the truth......
 https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/
Yes, this is an interesting depiction / version.

You know the author's claims are based on a single clinical trial of only 7,580 dose of Novavax, which she claims delivers more accurate results than the hundreds of millions of doses of Pfizer that have been issued.

Do you think it's odd the article contains no comparison to AZ, given that AZ and Novavax use the same technology, does that not ring your suspicion bell?

Does a US perspective colour color the resulting conclusions, do you think there is just a slight chance it's a paid advertisement for Novavax?

If the millions and now approaching billions of people already vaccinated with either Pfizer and AZ, who are now living healthy lives and getting on with life not enough evidence to satisfy you, what is then?

You made an interesting comment about "being effective for longer", so I presume you don't mean Novavax which is relatively new and as such lacks any longitudinal evidence?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3803 –
I think we have to accept that in our society, there will be those who will follow the prevailing scientific and medical orthodoxy, and those who will follow the path less traveled, alternative therapies, natural medicines and the like. For all of us, whichever path you take, may you be safe, healthy and virus free.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3804 –
Quote from: LP – on

Yes, this is an interesting depiction / version.

You know the author's claims are based on a single clinical trial of only 7,580 dose of Novavax, which she claims delivers more accurate results than the hundreds of millions of doses of Pfizer that have been issued.

Do you think it's odd the article contains no comparison to AZ, given they use the same technology, does that not ring your suspicion bell?

Does a US perspective colour color the resulting conclusions?

As I said early days and I would want more data because the masses will be the lab rats like they have been for AZ and Pfizer etc......didnt think she was pushing the barrow of any vaccines really, dismissed the Johnson from the USA, and praised the other vaccines. Even went on to say that Pharma is a gamble  and that all the vaccines are wonderful just that Novavax in her opinion was better and yep based on a small sample size from the UK.
Very promising but would I be jabbing myself with Novavax right now....No...not until I had more evidence of success in all areas of concern. If it is proven better then I have no doubt it will be priced accordingly and supplies limited which wont suit the world wide rollouts. As I said just another version of the truth to be read and weighed up against all the other versions floating around and I'll make my mind up when the medical jury's around the world can agree..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3805 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think we have to accept that in our society, there will be those who will follow the prevailing scientific and medical orthodoxy, and those who will follow the path less traveled, alternative therapies, natural medicines and the like. For all of us, whichever path you take, may you be safe, healthy and virus free.
Paul, you are making me sound like a Hippie driving a Kombie van and deriving my medical information from Snoop Dogs weed Dealer😀. I'm definitely not that and pro Western medicine and its very much just deciding which Western Medicine is best IMHO.
I just think with CoVid numbers low in Aus I can afford to wait a bit longer and make a more informed decision as more data become available. Hope you and the family stay healthy and virus free too....same to all our forum members.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3806 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Very promising but would I be jabbing myself with Novavax right now....No...not until I had more evidence of success in all areas of concern.
Isn't the public you refer to as Lab Rats going to the source of your evidence for Novavax as well?

By inference from your apparent stated qualification, why are future Novavax vaccine recipients somehow rated more highly or differently from those that already exist for Pfizer or AZ?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3807 –
I personally think a lot of posturing on these forums is going to yield no meaningful result.

Most people passionate enough to state their position, have generally already made their choice, and no amount of talking about it is going to change it, and before anyone comes to me and states anything different to this, have a look at where we all sit on the coaching situation at Carlton.  We are similarly divided opinions rightly or wrongly.

@LP the only thing I am waiting on is a response regarding where you sit re vaccination, have you had yours?

Beyond that, I've had mine, but I'm siding with the Greeks who are currently protesting en masse who believe it shouldn't be made mandatory to function in society. 

I do believe people should have the right to choose, and whether or not that is natural selection at work will be another story.  The people who chose not to vaccinate, will find out soon enough whether or not it was the right decision but they should get their shot at their desired choice of vaccination whether it be right or wrong.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3808 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Paul, you are making me sound like a Hippie driving a Kombie van and deriving my medical information from Snoop Dogs weed Dealer😀. I'm definitely not that and pro Western medicine and its very much just deciding which Western Medicine is best IMHO.
I just think with CoVid numbers low in Aus I can afford to wait a bit longer and make a more informed decision as more data become available. Hope you and the family stay healthy and virus free too....same to all our forum members.

My post was a general comment, and not aimed at anyone in particular. Let's face it, people only look for what supports their pre existing opinions. I can't think of one forum member, be they pro or anti vaccine, who has been swayed by anything on here to switch sides. Anyone who relies on a football forum for covid / medical advice has already donated their brain to science IMO. The medical establishment is big enough to be conflicting and contradictory, you can find studies that are pro / anti Ivermectin, studies that are pro / anti vaccine, all done by supposed experts in their field. What's a poor guy to do ?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3809 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@LP the only thing I am waiting on is a response regarding where you sit re vaccination, have you had yours?
Yes, as a posted weeks ago I've been vaccinated.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"