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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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The booster program is being worked on. Mr Foley has brought the topic up a number of times as has the Covid Commander. People I work with think the job is done after the 2nd vaccination. I tell them we will see a booster program which has been mentioned. It would have to be a part of an on going plan you would think. How else would we maintain a vaccinated status without it? I don’t think people understand how we will be living with Covid and what the rules will be in the next year or so. It doesn’t end with two shots. Especially once state to state borders open up and international travel and movement is in full swing.
Novavax and Moderna are working on a combo vaccine that does your regular flu and Covid.
Novavax are testing it here in Aus on 50-70 year olds , I see this as your once a year booster shot for the future.
In the USA the booster program is for 65 year olds at this stage or was last time I read about it due to safety concerns for other age groups.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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Quote from: LP – on
I don't mind the prices being raised a bit given the lower density seating, but I expect quality and service at the higher price to make it worthwhile to eat in.

A lot of places are doing themselves in by giving half the service, average product and a 90min limit for almost double the price.

In my area the more experienced foodies are doing hybrid trading, some in-house complimented by a shed load of home delivery.
This is a place in Carlton (not on Lygon) that we've been going to for over a decade now. Always had quality service, and food. As its Carlton, prices have always been on the higher end anyway....but even then....Thankfully portion sizes are decent, so i was a bit heavier walking out, even if the hip pocket was very much lighter.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5987 –
You'd imagine the boosters would be rolled out in the same order as the original vaccines were offered: in other words, over 65s and those with co-morbidities first. Mostly, that just reflects that they had been vaccinated earlier and  their immunity would therefore wane earlier. But then again, the AZ vaccine had a 3 month gap in between doses while Pfizer only had 1 month's gap or even less, so that would have compressed the time line a bit.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5988 –
Mav. I agree with the weather as we are only 2 weeks away from summer and this is not the kind of weather we would expect this late in the year. Not on a regular basis. I read your reply to my post and great points made. I think there is potential for problems when people in certain fields of work offering opinions. Opinions are very often based on personal perceptions. I also see danger in telling truths that could create panic and give people more to worry about than they need to. Rogue operators as I would choose to manipulate situations to benefit their own needs is just wrong and should be punished. The biggest issue however is the grey zone between the truth and what is perceived to be the best for everyone in terms of health and well-being. Is a gagging order (if that is a correct term to use) a way to manage a program of vaccine mandates. I call it as a mandate as we see well and truly if you don’t comply with health orders, you must work from home. If you exercise your right to choice, you will not have a passport to allow you entry into restaurants, retail stores, freedom of movement etc. Sure enough you won’t be jabbed, but you will be restricted from doing many things you might need and enjoy. Stopping people from telling the truth can also be dangerous. I have always considered it as a duty of care in any field of work. Honesty is required if you have ethics. That is where the grey zone comes into play. How do you answer questions you are asked? Do you tell people what you see and experience first hand? Do you direct people to manufacturers specifications and tested results? Does this divert the attention of people to direct any liability to the manufacturers and pharmaceutical companies? Remember the movie “A few good men”. “I want the truth”. “You can’t handle the truth”.  How do some of the people operate in their field of work? What is it that we really know? How much is really an opinion based on personal perception and belief, and how much is pure fact? Not manufacturers facts, but real life experienced fact?

Probably why we are here discussing our views. We are probably more in this grey zone than, pro or against any government programs. I myself am lost. I see people leave the police force, leave nursing placings after many years, and now I hear doctors doing similar. Do they feel they can’t serve the community and still follow orders and instructions? Thank god life is so simple and easy to understand or we would have nothing to talk about here. I would rather know everything and make life choices to suit what is best for me. On another note, is it best a new thread is started on the new Pandemic bill? I will have lots to say there. Lots.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5989 –
Quote from: Mav – on
You'd imagine the boosters would be rolled out in the same order as the original vaccines were offered: in other words, over 65s and those with co-morbidities first. Mostly, that just reflects that they had been vaccinated earlier and  their immunity would therefore wane earlier. But then again, the AZ vaccine had a 3 month gap in between doses while Pfizer only had 1 month's gap or even less, so that would have compressed the time line a bit.
Reckon it will be just be the expiry date 6 months after your last jab and there will be choice and quantity of vaccines available for all age groups. With Europe struggling with another surge I'd expect a very strong campaign from the Government to get everyone done quicker and more efficiently second time around.
ScoMo wont be letting the booster program lag like the initial rollout and Dan will be have the finger on the mandate button waiting to push it like Xi has his finger on the button waiting to send missiles Taiwan's way...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5990 –
They've already started boosters at work.

6 months after your second jab you can your third.

Im due jan 6th.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5991 –
For those who think the vaccine mandate over here is over the top, Austria has announced that it will impose a lockdown of the unvaccinated aged 12 upwards when 30% of ICU beds are taken by Covid patients. The unvaccinated will then be allowed outside only for limited reasons. Austria only has a vaccination rate of 65%. By the way, Austria is controlled by conservatives (the senior partner in a power-sharing arrangement).

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5992 –
Even our alleged "World Record Lockdown" is a really a bogus description, compared to the lockdowns in some regions ours was a "Clayton's Lockdown!"
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5993 –
The anti-lockdown protesters must look at Eastern Europe and fantasise about what they could have achieved in Australia if they'd been more successful:
As COVID-19 Surges In Eastern Europe, Leaders Slow To Act, Huffpost.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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Quote from: Thryleon – on
They've already started boosters at work.

6 months after your second jab you can your third.

Im due jan 6th.

16 Jan for me Thry.

I'm not entirely happy about getting Pfizer as the booster.  I know that mixing vaccinations is meant to be more effective but I know that I won't have side effects from AZ.  Still, the chances of severe side effects from Pfizer are pretty slim.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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Quote from: DJC – on
16 Jan for me Thry.

I'm not entirely happy about getting Pfizer as the booster.  I know that mixing vaccinations is meant to be more effective but I know that I won't have side effects from AZ.  Still, the chances of severe side effects from Pfizer are pretty slim.

Id rather have AZ next time around, but we are being given 0 option.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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Call me a cynic, simplistic or whatever you like,

VaccinatedUnvaccinated
1Population (Approx)80%20%
2In Hospital COVID related (Approx)5%95%
Why don't the row 1 percentages match the row 2 percentages?

If the vaccines and masks do not work or are unsafe shouldn't there be at least proportional representation in hospitals, but instead of the unvaccinated being 1 case out of every 5 hospitalisations, it seems unvaccinated are approximately 19 out of every 20 hospitalisations!

Ignoring this sort of fundamental characteristic of the pandemic, so as to arrive at some weird and complex conclusion, seems to be a common trait of COVID denial and vaccine hesitancy!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5997 –
I don't get the publicly stated desire for Novavax, or the seemingly unfounded belief it will be somehow safer with less side-effects than the current alternatives.

For that matter I don't get the underlying belief that "treatments or cures" are also safer with less side-effects, certainly that is not the case with snake-oil like Ivermectin whether it works on not!

On Novavax, here in Australia the Novavax trials showed most have only mild to moderate side effects, with a small percentage experiencing some serious acute side effects, But the total participants in both trials was only 1500 people.

Given Pfizer or AZ serious acute side-effects occur at the rate of 1 per 100000 people, the confidence in Novavax being better is greatly overstated, because if only 1 out of 1500 people got a serious acute side-effect during the Novavax trial, that scales to 66 per 100000! :o

The biggest formally reported trial of Novavax so far has been about 40000 people, still far too small to judge an equivalence.

I'll be pleasantly gobsmacked if Novavax is significantly better, it would probably have to be the safest vaccine in history to improve on the others!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5998 –
Quote from: LP – on
I don't get the publicly stated desire for Novavax, or the seemingly unfounded belief it will be somehow safer with less side-effects than the current alternatives.

For that matter I don't get the underlying belief that "treatments or cures" are also safer with less side-effects, certainly that is not the case with snake-oil like Ivermectin whether it works on not!

On Novavax, here in Australia the Novavax trials showed most have only mild to moderate side effects, with a small percentage experiencing some serious acute side effects, But the total participants in both trials was only 1500 people.

Given Pfizer or AZ serious acute side-effects occur at the rate of 1 per 100000 people, the confidence in Novavax being better is greatly overstated, because if only 1 out of 1500 people got a serious acute side-effect during the Novavax trial, that scales to 66 per 100000! :o

The biggest formally reported trial of Novavax so far has been about 40000 people, still far too small to judge an equivalence.

I'll be pleasantly gobsmacked if Novavax is significantly better, it would probably have to be the safest vaccine in history to improve on the others!
Novavax has been adopted by Indonesia and that will be a very decent trial sample.....my daughters MIL who has severe medical issues was advised no AZ or Pfizer/Moderna by her specialists but both said Novavax was ok for her if and when it arrives so it does have some support in the medical community.
As I said before they are also leading the way in a combo vaccine that is being trialled here in Aus on the quiet and in a few other countries for the 50-70 year old age groups.
Supporters of AZ seem a tad concerned about Novavax for some strange reason and maybe see it as taking decent market share if they can get their production issues sorted.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Novavax has been adopted by Indonesia and that will be a very decent trial sample.....
Sputnik, Sinovax, CoronaVac, Covaxin, AZ, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J and others have already issued about 3.2 Billion doses. I doubt any of them have much to fear, because it's highly unlikely Novavax exits any large scale roll out unscathed.

I'm quite cynical because the Novavax push appears to me to be more profit orientated than science based.

For reference, because they are selling vaccines for profit Novavax, Pfizer and Moderna are about 400% more expensive on average to the end user than AZ, Sinovax, Sputnik, Covaxin, etc., etc...

From a manufacturing perspective, it might be harder to make a mRNA hybrid (Influenza / Sars-CoV-2) vaccine, than it will be to formulate the same in viral vector(AZ) or protein sub-units(Novavax). I suspect in terms of Sars-CoV-2 it would be the mRNA vaccines that might lose out longer term.

PS: About 90% of vaccinations in Indonesia to date are Sinovax / CoronaVac, Indonesia they are not a big player in mRNA or Viral Vector. I wonder if the Indonesia Novavax push part of getting in on Australia's obligation under Covax to donate millions of doses of vaccine, whatever that vaccine may be? It feels like the sort of deal Scomo might do for some nuclear sub support in return!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"