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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6032 –
Pfizer are an order of magnitude better at marketing than the other drug companies, they seem more switched on to promoting stuff directly to the general public than the others who traditionally sell mostly to doctor and health officials.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6033 –
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Aussie TV icon Ernie Dingo has been hit with death threats after he stepped up to help Western Australia lift its lagging vaccination rates.
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“People don’t sit down and talk a lot with our elders and that’s what the issue is,” Dingo told the ABC earlier this week.

“It’s a slow pace, when you sit down with the elders, you’ve got to sit through. You learn more by never asking a question. But in this case, we need to speed things up.”
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/ernie-dingo-targeted-by-antivaxxers-hit-with-death-threats-over-covid-vaccination-campaign/news-story/c389f57a262e880a6b94857eef54bb8a

Fair enough if people don't want to get vaccinated, they will pay the price ... but why do they resort to threats of violence to stop the provision of factual information and encouragement of our most vulnerable folk to vaccinate?
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6034 –
Why are governments threatening people who don't get vaccinated?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6035 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Why are governments threatening people who don't get vaccinated?

The far more pertinent question is why are businesses doing just that !!  They set the tone.  They have that right.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6036 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Why are governments threatening people who don't get vaccinated?


Threatening?  Isn't it just providing a choice; get vaccinated and this lot of restrictions will no longer apply?
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6037 –
Quote from: capcom – on
The far more pertinent question is why are businesses doing just that !!  They set the tone.  They have that right.

Economics.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6039 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Economics.
Yes, the cost of enforcement is trivial compared the cost of fines, or even worse the cost of yet another lockdown.

But I fear we'll be very very lucky to avoid what is happening in Europe at the moment, regardless!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6040 –
So it seems in breaking news that Gladys Burythemall actually did!

To enact the tactics and half-ar5ed restrictions some have lauded her for, which resulted in the NSW mess and the spread, she basically ignored the official health department recommendations which were ironically quite similar to those enacted in Victoria.

Now if we did that it would be a fine or a prosecution!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6041 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Hardly ... certainly not the airlines.

Professor Simon Loertscher, Director, Centre for Market Design,University of Melbourne, and Dr Ellen Muir, Stanford University, have a different view:

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As a direct result of the ongoing global pandemic, we are living with an economic downturn whose scope and magnitude is staggering.

Governments around the world, including the Australian government, face a difficult balancing act – managing a serious public health crisis without causing economic and social devastation.
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Managing the dynamics of a dangerous pandemic isn’t a familiar or comfortable experience for economists and policy makers. But neither is it a comfortable experience for epidemiologist to entertain the idea of tolerating some level of spread for a deadly disease. This is uncharted territory for all.

Given the stakes, we need to find our path fast, and learn on the go.

This crisis is different from any other in living memory. It requires adaptive thinking that accounts for complex tradeoffs between managing the pandemic and managing economic and social well-being.

This can be achieved by targeting an appropriately chosen constraint, like the capacity of the healthcare system.

Implementing this approach requires that we build new models that combine economic and epidemiological data, and collect accurate data concerning the course of the epidemic through widespread testing.

The challenge is formidable but the concerted, whole-hearted and decisive effort defeated fascism eighty years ago – so there is no reason to believe we have to surrender to this virus, or the inevitable pandemics to come in the future.
https://fbe.unimelb.edu.au/newsroom/the-economics-of-covid-19

Of course, the most compelling evidence is the fact that enterprises are happily complying with government mandates or, in many cases, pre-empting them or going beyond the mandated requirements.  For example, Alan Joyce led the way in announcing that all QANTAS passengers must be fully vaccinated.  The economic imperative is to keep COVID under control.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6042 –
Quote from: DJC – on
The economic imperative is to keep COVID under control.
It's going to become even more divisive in the long term, at the moment it's basically a minority pushing back against the restrictive social and commercial measures. But I fear we'll be in for a lot more trouble when the vast majority get sick of being dragged into restrictions by what they perceive as the actions a handful, even if those actions only have a trivial effect it won't be human nature to judge it as such.

People need to have something to blame!

COVID is what COVID does and the measures are obviously about limit the damage not finding a cure, so I fear some unscrupulous authorities may also finger-point to distract the majority from the imperfect solutions. The last thing authorities need is more people pushing back against vaccines and boosters, God help the health system, even with a high uptake it's still strained!

The Feds have a lot to answer for, they've delivered the message very poorly, and I'm sure any moment in the sun they might find won't last! They have sold people a cure when no cure exists, there never has been and probably never will be a long lasting cure or immunity for a coronavirus, if such a thing existed it should have already evolved by now naturally! Evolution has probably already tested every variation we can either discover or invent a million times over.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6043 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Of course, the most compelling evidence is the fact that enterprises are happily complying with government mandates or, in many cases, pre-empting them or going beyond the mandated requirements.  For example, Alan Joyce led the way in announcing that all QANTAS passengers must be fully vaccinated.  The economic imperative is to keep COVID under control.

IATA governed the rules, NOT Qantas and not the Feds !!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6044 –
Didnt Joyce plan to sack all the ground staff then try and hire staff again at reduced rates and conditions through an external provider and wants a RyanAir model airline? All this after taking the Government money....