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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6525 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
This would be over if they just got rid of the vaccine mandate which is useless now.
The vaccine mandate helps reduce/prevent severe COVID cases, and that is saving hundreds or nationally thousands of lives, and stopping our hospitals being over-run!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6526 –
Quote from: LP – on
The vaccine mandate helps reduce/prevent severe COVID cases, and that is saving hundreds or nationally thousands of lives, and stopping our hospitals being over-run!

Helped.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6527 –
This will be looked back on as a shameful time in Australia's history treating the unvaxxed as deplorables.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #6528 –
Its tricky.  The word seems to be coming out that of the people hospitalised, most are hospitalised with not by covid.

This poses a logistical issue for a few reasons, but largely its risk to other patients with similar co morbidites and liability.

How you treat a covid positive patient for cardiac issues, where other cardiac patients cannot catch covid as it might hurt them, is a real problem.

Beyond that, we will see in time.  The mandates have caused a few issues, but like the boy who cried wolf, when the future strikes, and a vaccine does actually work, you will have bred much greater mis trust in a lot of people, given the current state of play. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6529 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Helped.
Still is.

It's a shifting demographic, Omicron affects a different spread of ages to Delta or earlier strains.

They'll mandate the boosters next, because it's obvious beyond doubt that vaccinations reduce the case load in hospitals. The economic cost benefit must be 1000x compared to just 3 or 4 days in hospital, let alone those who spends days or weeks in intensive care!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6530 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
This will be looked back on as a shameful time in Australia's history treating the unvaxxed as deplorables.
Not sure what to make of your reference to deplorables. If you're referring to Hillary's comment, she was spot on. It may have been politically unwise to say what she said but Trump's embrace of white supremacy has proved her point many times over.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6531 –
3 positives at work have had a booster. The vaccine doesn't stop you getting it or spreading it.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6532 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Its tricky.  The word seems to be coming out that of the people hospitalised, most are hospitalised with not by covid.

This poses a logistical issue for a few reasons, but largely its risk to other patients with similar co morbidites and liability.
Canonical issues aside, infections from COVID are a very real issue and yet much of the mainstream gets bogged down in the debate of a category.

Nobody can deny the cost of a jab versus the cost of hospitalisation, yet some in the mainstream still argue against vaccinations even though the vast majority of COVID hospitalisations are people who are otherwise unvaccinated without a valid reason for being so!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6533 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
3 positives at work have had a booster. The vaccine doesn't stop you getting it or spreading it.
Vaccine reduces your chance of getting it and spreading it, and it looks like it may also alleviate symptoms in long COVID sufferers.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6534 –
So you're saying on an anecdotal basis that the booster has a 0% efficacy? Maybe there needs to more data before you can go there.

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Reply #6535 –
I'm certainly not opposed to the idea of changing policies to address the different problems posed by Omicron. But the notion that we should just ditch everything and let it rip totally because current strategies don't act as an impenetrable barrier to Omicron seems to be a bit extreme. If we don't use vaccines, what should we do? Do we instead start to shut down pubs and restaurants or does that impinge on the ability of people to move around freely and make their own decisions? Do we mandate masks and if so do we treat anti-maskers as deplorables? What's the alternative being proposed? It's easy to whinge about what exists but harder to come up with solutions which will not be lambasted by some as an affront to their freedoms.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6536 –
We have let it rip.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #6537 –
So the logic is to let it rip completely? Either we shut down completely or let it rip completely? Can't there be an intermediate setting?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6538 –
This is my experience of living in Australia.

I am white and have white privilege to minority groups, true dark skinned people, the LBGTQI community and females (i am male).

I am not truly one of the club like some of the others.

I get it Thry, but that's a personal perception is it not, rather than a mainstream view?


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6539 –
Not sure what to make of Djoker's latest confessions, his little faux pas might not make much difference to him or other big names, they can forego the $.

Many of his tennis peers cannot afford to lose the money that comes from being declared positive and losing the opportunity to play or travel to tournaments.

I suspect that declaration is going to lose Djoker some good will and trust amongst his peers.

It wouldn't be surprising to find the WTA introduces compulsory testing, they had basically defended not doing so by claiming the players are making the sacrifices and doing the right thing! Not all it seems! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"