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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on February 12, 2025, 10:51:35 am

MBB, Hope your Father in law is doing better with his health, there needed to be pre testing for folk with serious pre existing conditions.

A lot of the people who had heart issues didn't know they had 'pre existing issues'until they got sick.

Covid and the vaccines just highlighted it.

Quote from: kruddler – on February 12, 2025, 06:28:38 pm

A lot of the people who had heart issues didn't know they had 'pre existing issues'until they got sick.

Covid and the vaccines just highlighted it.

And that is exactly what it is.

As tiresome as this may be, I'll hark back to a post I made years ago in relation to inoculations/vaccines... On joining the Navy, after our trial period we were, en masse, vaccinated with all manner of substances to protect us from diseases overseas. Medicos explained to us the realities vaccine impact on the human body... Simplistically put, if 100 of us were given multiple vaccines, 95 of us reacted and responded as expected. 2 or 3 needed hospitalisation but were eventually okay. But there was always the 1 or 2 who had a serious, adverse reaction. The vaccine(s) highlighted a genetic vulnerability. So, yes, K, you're spot on.

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 12, 2025, 08:46:30 am

That works both ways though.

It was COVID, it was the vaccine.

What if it was both, what if it was neither and it was just a coincidence that people were on edge, and actually getting their health problems looked into for the first time?

You would be amazed at how many people were deficient, and COVID whilst no walk in the park, is highly treatable with something as simple as panadol which was NOT socialised anywhere near as much early in the pandemic as handwashing and the rest of it.

Also for something that highly contagious, it was pretty hard to catch off someone.

There are many contributing effects to varying degrees, but the huge numbers behind the pandemic expose and unequivocal conclusions about the effects of COVID and the efficacy of vaccines. In this regard it doesn't work both ways because the real world doesn't operate on opinions and subterfuge.

One of the great acts of misdirection is for naysayers to imply or assert a rarity is common place event.

Panadol and other pain killers do nothing but diminish some of the symptoms, it's not a treatment for a viral infection, that sort of advice is as dangerous as recommending hydroxychloroquine.

Real doctors live and operate by the Hippocratic Oath, to avoid harming patients and never abuse the doctor-patient relationship.

One of the greats acts of misdirection by naysayers is to assert rarities are common place. What was the rest of the nurses story, why aren't you reporting the isolated case in full?

Paracetamol or panadol does nothing to fight infection, it diminishes disruptive symptoms reducing suffering and allowing people to function while the body works to naturally heal, it's like an induced coma for sympathetic systems. It is also why it is so dangerous because people keep taking it "when symptoms persist", the very warning the makers put on the box!

Claiming paracetamol is curing infection is a correlation, not causation, or worse still deliberate deception by shareholders or corporations, like the "looming bog roll shortage" causing panic buying. The same motives and methods at play.

It takes millions and billions of doses for beneficial side effects to emerge, like aspirin for heart disease, like the vaccines, like ozempic. There has been billions of doses of paracetamol consumed and no global anti-viral property has emerged.

India's government tried the paracetamol claim as a move to quell public dissatisfaction regarding vaccine shortages, epidemiologists tore it apart. It was India's version of the hydroxychloroquine saga, ironic because India makes billion$ from hydroxychloroquine generics.

The powers that be in the public system used this opportunity to wipe the slate clean with staff like her.  You know the longer someone is on the books, the higher above award wages they pay, because of the years of service incremental pay increases, the sick leave that has been accumulated stands out as something you need to have money banked to pay.  They chose strict adherence to the letter of the policy than rewarding staff who have served them well over the years and in one health service sparked a division between staff and management. 

Your despicable false equivalence about pandaol helping with the very symptoms that covid creates, is a disaster and you are doubling down rather than accepting you erred here.  Hydroxy whatever.  You find one post that had me spruiker alternative therapies and I'll concede, but you won't.

You would be amazed at how many people were deficient, and COVID whilst no walk in the park, is highly treatable with something as simple as panadol ...............................

Im sorry baggers but unless youre entrenched in the medical field you cant make those sorts of sweeping statements which are said like they are black and white facts that can be proven beyond a shadow of doubt yet the reality is it’s just your opinion. 

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 15, 2025, 03:23:04 pm

The powers that be in the public system used this opportunity to wipe the slate clean with staff like her.  You know the longer someone is on the books, the higher above award wages they pay, because of the years of service incremental pay increases, the sick leave that has been accumulated stands out as something you need to have money banked to pay.  They chose strict adherence to the letter of the policy than rewarding staff who have served them well over the years and in one health service sparked a division between staff and management.

You blamed doctors, the above reads like the actions of bean counters and bureaucracy.

btw., Wasn't that the same nurse that it later surfaced had been cautioned for warning patients against vaccination? If I recall it wasn't until she accidentally outed herself that the full situation came to light, the health system officials had actually been preserving her privacy.

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 15, 2025, 03:23:04 pm

Your despicable false equivalence about pandaol helping with the very symptoms that covid creates, is a disaster and you are doubling down rather than accepting you erred here.  Hydroxy whatever.  You find one post that had me spruiker alternative therapies and I'll concede, but you won't.

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 12, 2025, 08:46:30 am

You would be amazed at how many people were deficient, and COVID whilst no walk in the park, is highly treatable with something as simple as panadol ...............................

If it looks like spruiking, if it feels like spruiking, if it reads like spruiking, then it must be spruiking!

Quote from: Baggers – on February 12, 2025, 07:45:19 pm

And that is exactly what it is.

As tiresome as this may be, I'll hark back to a post I made years ago in relation to inoculations/vaccines... On joining the Navy, after our trial period we were, en masse, vaccinated with all manner of substances to protect us from diseases overseas. Medicos explained to us the realities vaccine impact on the human body... Simplistically put, if 100 of us were given multiple vaccines, 95 of us reacted and responded as expected. 2 or 3 needed hospitalisation but were eventually okay. But there was always the 1 or 2 who had a serious, adverse reaction. The vaccine(s) highlighted a genetic vulnerability. So, yes, K, you're spot on.

Im sorry baggers but unless youre entrenched in the medical field you cant make those sorts of sweeping statements which are said like they are black and white facts that can be proven beyond a shadow of doubt yet the reality is it’s just your opinion. Like everyone on here me included unless you have real world day in day experience then we all speculating based on personal experiences and what media sources we follow and why we have differing opinions on it all.

Whilst we may be focussing on the important impacts on physical health during the pandemic (in some areas, still continuing), there was an another every bit as terrible (in some respects, worse) impact which still lingers - mental health.
1. Every day folk. Very well documented were the adverse effects of lockdowns (let's resist the urge for hindsight condemnations of governments). Anxiety, depression and other impacts on mental health rose, significantly. Then consider the ongoing effects of these stressors after the lockdowns. Alcohol consumption also rose, significantly... as did domestic violence. Believe it or not, mental health professionals are still dealing with and treating effected folks.
2. Caregivers/community support workers. This includes psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, counsellors/therapists, doctors, nurses, police, ambos... etc. These folks, already dealing with 'vicarious trauma' in their professional lives (this also includes firies), were pushed even harder during the pandemic. Too many had no other option than to leave, or take extended leave. Anecdotally (for Shawny's benefit  ) these impacts are still being felt today.

Quote from: Baggers – on February 16, 2025, 08:57:36 am

Whilst we may be focussing on the important impacts on physical health during the pandemic (in some areas, still continuing), there was an another every bit as terrible (in some respects, worse) impact which still lingers - mental health.
1. Every day folk. Very well documented were the adverse effects of lockdowns (let's resist the urge for hindsight condemnations of governments). Anxiety, depression and other impacts on mental health rose, significantly. Then consider the ongoing effects of these stressors after the lockdowns. Alcohol consumption also rose, significantly... as did domestic violence. Believe it or not, mental health professionals are still dealing with and treating effected folks.
2. Caregivers/community support workers. This includes psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, counsellors/therapists, doctors, nurses, police, ambos... etc. These folks, already dealing with 'vicarious trauma' in their professional lives (this also includes firies), were pushed even harder during the pandemic. Too many had no other option than to leave, or take extended leave. Anecdotally (for Shawny's benefit  ) these impacts are still being felt today.

No doubt.

Playing devils advocate though, there is another side of that story.

Personally, i had very little issues with lockdowns. Even if my 40th birthday was restricted to a teams meeting. I enjoyed the time around the house to do things that hadn't had time to do for years. I enjoyed reduced traffic when i was allowed to work (which was most of the time).

Working from home became a thing and plenty of people are continuing to reap the benefits of that. Which is improving peoples mental health. This is true for both adults and kids who now may get to see their parents a bit more thanks to being home more.

Yes, the businesses in and around the city struggled with the reduced number of available customers, but at the same time, businesses in the 'burbs managed to pick up the slack and benefit from it....continuing now.

I don't discount the issues it has created in some areas.
I think it needs to be said that there were definite benefits in others areas though.