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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #180 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Cornes the media whore has started operation "undermine Carlton" already AFAIC.
Coz he knows we will chase Wines
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #181 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Successful ones like the Port, Cheats and Norf who are 2-0

I wasn't talking successful clubs in terms of recent history.
The early successful clubs in this bastardised 2020 season will be the ones that get their act together quickest.after the resumption.
Few if any seasons have had such a disruption after the season has commenced.
The uncertainty of the timing of the recommencement would also have impacted on the players.

Last weekend was virtually a new start to the year.
How individual players will have coped with the problems of isolation will vary dramatically.
Some will hit the ground without missing a beat and that will go for some teams as well.
Other will take a few weeks to hit their stride.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #182 –
Finally got to see the Game.
Q1: So weak it is not funny. Melbourne just ran through us.
Pittonet got the first 3 taps, but we got 0 clearances. After that Gawn had a picnic.
Can't blame the forwards: it didn't get down there. We had only a couple of inside 50s and none of them with the advantage.
Fumbles from Walsh and McGovern were terrible.
Frees: Did we have one? We could have had more than a few. Murphy had about 5 microseconds to get rid of the ball.
Our disposal was poor, but we always under pressure. We found it difficult to get the ball.
Melbourne simply are not that much stronger than us, but we couldn't put the same sort of pressure on.

Q2: The thing I noticed most that Cripps was being held in every single ball-up and ruck duel. Every one.
We were much better, but for a very poor few minutes, where they got 2 easy goals.
Forwards weren't so bad. H was good: we just couldn't get the ball there often enough.
Martin looked like he could do things, but ...
SPS didn't have a good first half, but his aerial work has improved so much.
Murphy was OK, but always under pressure.
Weitering and Jones were strong, while Doc was excellent.

Q3: We really did play all over Melbourne in the 3rd Quarter.
Ed Curnow slaughtered Viney.
In the 2nd and 3rd quarters we had most of the clearances, even if they were the sort Melbourne had enjoyed earlier.
Pittonet really stood up, even though he was beaten. Good effort, lad!
McGovern got on his bike. Much improved, but he should have had a couple of goals.
The Cripps miss hurt.
Strength? We need to work on that. We were still pushed off the ball too easily.
Weitering and Jones were good again, as was Doc.
Could we buy a free kick? It didn't look that way.

Q4: My God, we should have won that game!
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #183 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Coz he knows we will chase Wines
Wines is too good a player and has done too much to be stuck over in Adelaide not playing finals. he should be over here, where we get 70 - 80 k crowds.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #184 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I wasn't talking successful clubs in terms of recent history.
The early successful clubs in this bastardised 2020 season will be the ones that get their act together quickest.after the resumption.
Few if any seasons have had such a disruption after the season has commenced.
The uncertainty of the timing of the recommencement would also have impacted on the players.

Last weekend was virtually a new start to the year.
How individual players will have coped with the problems of isolation will vary dramatically.
Some will hit the ground without missing a beat and that will go for some teams as well.
Other will take a few weeks to hit their stride.
Sorry Lods, you see it as a new start to the season, I see it as the repeat fark up 86 days after the previous one that it is. I simply cant see it any other way and I am livid. I am sick of the excuses, the blase attitude towards it (not yours, the clubs)
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #185 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Sorry Lods, you see it as a new start to the season, I see it as the repeat fark up 86 days after the previous one that it is. I simply cant see it any other way and I am livid.

Have to agree. Sleeping on the job for the first quarter and falling too far behind to really have any chance against a team no better than us really. Repeating pattern and last game was a very BAD example, so how far have we come?? The next game will be absolutely critical as, if we do the same thing, we will be blown away for the rest of the year with a confidence shattering annihilation.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #186 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Have to agree. Sleeping on the job for the first quarter and falling too far behind to really have any chance against a team no better than us really. Repeating pattern and last game was a very BAD example, so how far have we come?? The next game will be absolutely critical as, if we do the same thing, we will be blown away for the rest of the year with a confidence shattering annihilation.
How far have we come? In my eyes not very. Same rubbish but different. It was like Teague was going to sprinkle his magic dust on the players and all would be solved. As has been pointed out, his record vs his predecessors is scarily similar, skills havent improved, young players havent really developed, they continue to play rejects from other clubs. Im effin sick of it. I dont see anything different being tried, just the same stuff over and over again hoping for a different result. Its madness.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #187 –
You guys may very well turn out to be right.
The next 3 or 4 weeks will tell the story.
I just tried to imagine the effect the stutter start would have had....and it would be different for everyone.
One of the most cliché comments we tend to hear is "They're all professional footballers. They should tough it out."
But there's a world of difference between a  mature 30 year old and an 18 year old recruit.
The mental durability varies greatly from player to player.
As we've also seen in recent times mental health issues can affect footballers in much the same way as they do the general population.
So this season is different from any other.
A month or two back and the players would have had little idea whether or not the season would even recommence.
They would have been training in isolation and the input and contact from the club would have been seriously limited compared to normal.
So in effect they've had 6-8 weeks of uncertainty compared to a normal pre-season of structured progressive training. I reckon that's got to impact, and clubs and players will handle that differently.... and because of that I reckon it will take a few weeks to determine where we really sit.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #188 –
Gold Coast beat West Coast. If that's not proof that the stutter is affecting teams, I dont know what is. Maybe Hawthorn losing by 10 goals?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #189 –
GITC,  we havent agreed on much over the years but I'm 110% standing next to you over  the last two posts.

Totally over this club doing the same old,  go nowhere stuff.   Over it.   Why won't they do something about it!?! Is it that F******g hard?  Why have we been left in the dust of  historically rubbish clubs? 

If we're say,  8 and zip,  Teague is gone.  G-O-N-E.   And our invisible, carboard president will be sitting on the pavement next to him.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #190 –
Rather merciless comments from some quarters, but that's OK.  I just don't wanna be on the Lyon / Voss / Scott / who's next carousel anymore after the incumbent has had no time no fly  in what is a completely pointless season.  And here was me thinking I was a ruthless so and so.

I know where I'd start with pruning useless coaches.  Teague ain't one of them .... yet 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #191 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
How far have we come? In my eyes not very. Same rubbish but different. It was like Teague was going to sprinkle his magic dust on the players and all would be solved. As has been pointed out, his record vs his predecessors is scarily similar, skills havent improved, young players havent really developed, they continue to play rejects from other clubs. Im effin sick of it. I dont see anything different being tried, just the same stuff over and over again hoping for a different result. Its madness.
Unfortunately the issues that have afflicted our club are not going to disappear overnight. Some coach will do it one day but it will take a while to shift the attitude/culture. Been an issue since Ratten was sacked. Like something Hardwick inherited in 2010. Took a long time to turn that culture around. 3 years to make the finals, 3 years of losing the first final then a crap year before firing. Hopefully we don't take that long. Ability seem ok, we can play half a game of footy as good as anyone, attitude/culture/"want", that's the very disappointing issue....grrrrr!!!! Bar Port no club has won more qtrs than us, which is horribly disappointing given we are 0-2. Get an attitude, proper focus, and watch the skills improve.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #192 –
Quote from: Lods – on
You guys may very well turn out to be right.
The next 3 or 4 weeks will tell the story.
I just tried to imagine the effect the stutter start would have had....and it would be different for everyone.
One of the most cliché comments we tend to hear is "They're all professional footballers. They should tough it out."
But there's a world of difference between a  mature 30 year old and an 18 year old recruit.
The mental durability varies greatly from player to player.
As we've also seen in recent times mental health issues can affect footballers in much the same way as they do the general population.
So this season is different from any other.
A month or two back and the players would have had little idea whether or not the season would even recommence.
They would have been training in isolation and the input and contact from the club would have been seriously limited compared to normal.
So in effect they've had 6-8 weeks of uncertainty compared to a normal pre-season of structured progressive training. I reckon that's got to impact, and clubs and players will handle that differently.... and because of that I reckon it will take a few weeks to determine where we really sit.
Lods, some cope, some dont, some win, some lose, some grow, some stall. Calton is always in the group that doesnt cope, loses, stalls. If there needed to be a study on on negatives, Carlton would be the prime subject. They are cursed, I gotta bring my mum there to get rid of the malocchio.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #193 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Rather merciless comments from some quarters, but that's OK.  I just don't wanna be on the Lyon / Voss / Scott / who's next carousel anymore after the incumbent has had no time no fly  in what is a completely pointless season.  And here was me thinking I was a ruthless so and so.

I know where I'd start with pruning useless coaches.  Teague ain't one of them .... yet 
Carlton deserves every single piece of heat they can from every quarter of the football world. Our recent history is a constant feed of false dawns, false starts, failed recruiting, failed coaches, failed starts in games, its doesnt farken end my god!!!! I am 53 years and have followed and supported (financially bar a couple of years) the club since I can remember, I have gone on the odd rant before but I have never ever felt the sense of embarrassment I have for the once mighty Carlton Football Club like I do now.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #194 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Rather merciless comments from some quarters, but that's OK.  I just don't wanna be on the Lyon / Voss / Scott / who's next carousel anymore after the incumbent has had no time no fly  in what is a completely pointless season.  And here was me thinking I was a ruthless so and so.

I know where I'd start with pruning useless coaches.  Teague ain't one of them .... yet 
But thats my whole bloody point, ITS AWLWAYS prune, sack, chop, cull, drop, reduce, sever ties, it doesnt bloody end.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership