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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #375 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
If any of you saw Young playing ruck for the Dogs when they were plagued by injury would not be suggesting he be used as a second ruckman at all.

That may be so, but you can’t judge players on what they may have done or not done in another team and a couple of seasons ago. Young did quite well as our second ruck this season, and that’s all that matters.

I don’t think that you should ask a key defender to add ruck to their task list, and I think that Young is much better value as a defender, but he’s streets ahead of Jack as a ruckman.

The best options for our second ruck spot are De Koning, Young, Mirkov, O’Keeffe, Lemmey, daylight, and then Jack.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #376 –

PLAYER A
13 disposals
4 marks
18 Ruck Contests
5 Hitouts
0 hitouts to advantage
0 tackles
2 clearances
1.0 goal.behind
82% TOG

PLAYER B
12 disposals
3 marks
16 ruck contests
3 hitouts
2 hitouts to advantage
7 tackles
2 clearances
0.1 goal.behind
78% TOG


Player A is the great white hope playing against a poor team
Player B is a hack playing against the best team in the comp.

Player A = TDK this week, shows the reason why we need to play 2 rucks.
Player B = SOS last week a terrible game worthy of dropping.
Come again??

When i tell you there is SFA between them in terms of output, SOJ holds his own in the ruck and offers more pressure around the ground (7 tackles vs 0)

I really hope TDK kicks on....but he needs to give us more

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #377 –
Player C (On more $ than A+B combined)

8 disposals
4 marks
0 ruck contests
0 hitouts
0 hitouts to advantage
1 tackles
0 clearances
0.3 goal.behind
94% TOG
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #378 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Player C (On more $ than A+B combined)

8 disposals
4 marks
0 ruck contests
0 hitouts
0 hitouts to advantage
1 tackles
0 clearances
0.3 goal.behind
94% TOG
If we had a KPF in the 2s who even resembled a KPF, you'd 100% drop H this week. He'll survive only because of that and the amount of injuries we copped last night.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #379 –
Maybe they're all rubbish and we're playing in the electrical noise zone stats-wise below the threshold of a meaningful response.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #380 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Maybe they're all rubbish and we're playing in the electrical noise zone stats-wise below the threshold of a meaningful response.

I think you're half right.

There is certainly a noice component that is overriding anything the stats might be showing you.....but it's coming from Carlton folk and was started by Mathieson.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #381 –
I am happy to discuss the merits of Pittonet's contract extension and the potential effect it has on TDK's onfield role etc.

But for now, I'd rather focus on whether TDK is actually going to become the bone-fide ruck-forward most are/were hoping for.

He was quite poor last night (how many marks did he juggle & drop ??) and I am seriously wondering if he is worth retaining like some others are suggesting we should.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #382 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
I am happy to discuss the merits of Pittonet's contract extension and the potential effect it has on TDK's onfield role etc.

But for now, I'd rather focus on whether TDK is actually going to become the bone-fide ruck-forward most are/were hoping for.

He was quite poor last night (how many marks did he juggle & drop ??) and I am seriously wondering if he is worth retaining like some others are suggesting we should.

Right now, the best thing TDK can do for the team is leave and get us some good picks/players on the way back.
Nothing against the kid, but he has not improved in basically 3 years now and unless the penny drops quick, his trade value will start to plummet.

Pittonet has made the position his own. The fact he has some flaws only highlights how bad TDK has been that he is not in the same conversation.
He looks good with the blonde hair, the high flying marking attempts and the smooth moving across the ground.
Watching him closely though, you seem him drop basic marks, never catch anyone and is basically just looking busy. His ruckwork is sub-par, not a single hitout to advantage from 18 ruck contests and i'm struggling to see the benefit of keeping him around the joint....especially on the money he seems to want.

Again, if he could flick the switch, start clunking some marks and reach the potential he has, brilliant, throw the money and the years at him. But how long do we need to wait? We are at a tipping point in his career. If we continue to wait, he could be no good to anyone.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #383 –
So TDK, dow, o brien, sps, and pretty much 90% of the team don't improve and the answer is replace them?

Can't have that.  Just because blokes show no signs of being an improver is no reason to turf them all and start with no players we can't develop.  Over the last 12 years it's become apparent to me that players at Carlton develop in spite of us not because of us and more of them turn to poo than not.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #384 –
De Koning is a little ungainly and awkward at the moment. But he has some good assets, and should be persisted with and developed properly. His mobility and athleticism on their own are very handy IMO

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #385 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
De Koning is a little ungainly and awkward at the moment. But he has some good assets, and should be persisted with and developed properly. His mobility and athleticism on their own are very handy IMO
We've become to predictable and formulaic, the opposition is reading our midfield knows where Pitto will tap it, what Cripps will do, where Cerra heads, the opposition defence knows exactly where Charlie and Harry lead, using their faster runners they setup before we do!

TDK brings something different, he is more than AFL ruck capable, he just needs to be used correctly and to also spend time working with Charlie and Harry.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #386 –
We should be rucking them both for the rest of the year and I've been saying this since round 2.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #387 –
I thought a banged up Hickey came on the ground after we initially controlled the ruck duels with Pittonet vs the beanpole kid McAndrew and did ok for the Swans in the ruck.
We didnt get much advantage by playing two rucks imho.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #388 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I thought a banged up Hickey came on the ground after we initially controlled the ruck duels with Pittonet vs the beanpole kid McAndrew and did ok for the Swans in the ruck.
We didnt get much advantage by playing two rucks imho.

We got zero advantage. As i predicted.

That being said, i'd be playing TDK again next week. What have we got to lose?
We can only hope that something clicks with the kid.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #389 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
We got zero advantage. As i predicted.

That being said, i'd be playing TDK again next week. What have we got to lose?
We can only hope that something clicks with the kid.

I don't think we'll have much choice given the injury situation.
Both Jack and Tom will play.