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Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #30
Disgusting.  Teaugue's coaching awful conceding 7 goal start again.  Players laughing and celebrating Bryce Gibbs at the end of the game says it all.  Yeah real funny blues.  We just lost to the bottom of the ladder and blew our weak, but still mathematically possible finals chances.

I'm afraid that is very much the truth of it. Made a bit of a mockery of the letter we recently got from the club.  :o
Reality is when you stop believing in something it doesn’t go away.......

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #31
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=4885.0

If we revisit this topic, you will see that most were thinking we would finish between 10th and 14th. That thread was of course before the pandemic, but Its good to see that most had what I consider to be realistic expectations.
Albert Einstein was a socialist.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #32
As well as addressing the usual issues - lack of ability, abysmal kicking skills, etc, surely we need to find out what is causing these dreadful first halves of football.

It's like watching somebody who has had a drug overdose being given an antidote injection and suddenly spring to their feet.

We can't go into 2021 season fearing a repeat of this season's many bad first half starts.  Is Teague responsible?  The coaching staff in general?  Do we need to employ sports psychologists?
13-14 is a big improvement on 4-40. Wasn't turning everything around in a year, especially that losing culture. Will take more time. Hardwick took years to turn around Richmond's horrible losing culture.

13-14, given where we were, is more than acceptable but, at the same time, not good enough given it was total mental aspects, whether it's handling the heat when finals are on the line, or simply switching on, that has cost us playing finals. That's in no doubt. Most disappointed with today that they couldn't switched on in a game so important. Actually, was quite disgusted. While we'd have taken 7 or 8 wins at the start of the year it's turned out that our season was totally wasted. The only way it won't be is if we don't learn from it.

Ironic our season finished the way it started, with horrid first halves, and it did our season in the end. Let's just hope we don't do the usual "put cue in the rack" last round performance.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #33
That was just so disappointing.
The Crows looked more like a team playing for a finals spot than we did.
I know there was a bit of banter at the end with Gibbs but the players didn't look to be a 'hurting bunch'  bunch who had just lost their finals chance.
They look like side that's checked out....and next week could be very ugly.

We've developed some terrible habits...some of those will be difficult to break.

Yes, most of 20 years of terrible, uncaring habits, that won't change in a season. Looks like they had given up their finals chance after the GWS game. Unfortunately, when you've spent years giving in so easily in games it's takes quite a while to change.

Hopefully next week we fight it out. It's the one thing we have done all year at least. If we somehow won, and that would be so Carlton, I think i'd even be more frustrated.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #34
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=4885.0

If we revisit this topic, you will see that most were thinking we would finish between 10th and 14th. That thread was of course before the pandemic, but Its good to see that most had what I consider to be realistic expectations.

Yes, 7 wins this season is about 9.25 in a regular season, 10.4 if we were to somehow fluke a win next week. We'd have taken between 9 or 10 at the start of the year, and it's probably a good result given where we were, but it feels a waste now. I feel we are a better side than a few above us competing for a finals spot but mentally blew it when no switching on or $hitting the bed when the finals were on the line. Unfortunately comes down to totally lacking belief.

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Reply #35
Still not out of it. If Hawthorn can  make up the 28pt deficit, all the sides above us lose from here, and we beat Brisbane by 110pts we're in!!!! Hahaha!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #36
Yes, 7 wins this season is about 9.25 in a regular season, 10.4 if we were to somehow fluke a win next week. We'd have taken between 9 or 10 at the start of the year, and it's probably a good result given where we were, but it feels a waste now. I feel we are a better side than a few above us competing for a finals spot but mentally blew it when no switching on or $hitting the bed when the finals were on the line. Unfortunately comes down to totally lacking belief.

Yes, at the start of the season I would have taken  or 10 wins, but what I did not expect was the way we continued to lose games.  We seem to have mental attitude problems which affect skill levels.  In parts of games we have shown very good skill levels and five minutes later we drop our standards to the Reserve level of VFL sides.

Agree there is a total lack of belief.  Just look at our players attitude at the end of today's game.  Not one player seemed concerned at throwing away a chance of making the final 8.  Yet they'll put their hands out for their pay packet

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Reply #37
Going to need another quality mid, cant get it done with the ones we have....
I have been saying this for the last 3 years!! We have failed every time at the trade table and i don't think this period will be any different as losses like this at the end of the year dont exactly breed confidence we are leaping up the ladder.

I keep hearing the likes of SPS, Kennedy, Fisher, Setterfield, Polson, Dow, Cunningham will take up the slack and turn into the midfield players we desperately needed. Been 5 years for some of these blokes - enough being positive- Enough waiting while teams continue to break away from us.  

This is why going after Papely is a massive mistake IMO. So what if he wants to come to us - we don't need that sort of player anywhere near as much as we need another inside mid and 2x outside clean using mids.

How many games have we lost because of not having a specialist small forward as opposed to not having any midfield depth at all!
Papely is a very good footballer but he is not what we need and getting him and missing to fill the massive gaps in the middle will further highlight how dumb an organization we have become.         

And if we sign Eddie and Simmo up we also highlight the above point.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #38
I have been saying this for the last 3 years!! We have failed every time at the trade table and i don't think this period will be any different as losses like this at the end of the year dont exactly breed confidence we are leaping up the ladder.

I keep hearing the likes of SPS, Kennedy, Fisher, Setterfield, Polson, Dow, Cunningham will take up the slack and turn into the midfield players we desperately needed. Been 5 years for some of these blokes - enough being positive- Enough waiting while teams continue to break away from us.  

This is why going after Papely is a massive mistake IMO. So what if he wants to come to us - we don't need that sort of player anywhere near as much as we need another inside mid and 2x outside clean using mids.

How many games have we lost because of not having a specialist small forward as opposed to not having any midfield depth at all!
Papely is a very good footballer but he is not what we need and getting him and missing to fill the massive gaps in the middle will further highlight how dumb an organization we have become.         

And if we sign Eddie and Simmo up we also highlight the above point.

We need belief, a mental attitude and a culture. If we had that we'd we'd be playing next month. If we have that then watch the rest fall more into place. Type of players will do nothing unless that is sorted.

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Reply #39
Agree , Eddie & Simmo should follow Matty, the  time has come after illustrious careers. List needs tonbe throughly reviewed we’re carrying plenty , Lang , Kennedy, Polson, Silvagni has disappeared?and some players just can’t get on the park. There much to do before presenting a viabile playing list for 2021 campaign.
Mitch.McGovern, Curnow Charlie & Caleb Marchbank all three are continuously struggling to get over their injuries and a real concern.

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Reply #40
We need belief, a mental attitude and a culture. If we had that we'd we'd be playing next month. If we have that then watch the rest fall more into place. Type of players will do nothing unless that is sorted.
Jim, After a while you just have to get ruthless and aim higher...we got beat today by a bunch of kids and a B grade midfield who are the bottom team, it was a regression and clearly we lack in mental toughness as you say as well as some skills.
This was clearly the old Carlton with some of the old Carlton players doing the same stuff and checking out thinking it was an easy game. We should have belted the Crows and there has to be retribution or it will keep happening and Teague will come under pressure and we all know it wont be a happy ending...

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #41
Jim, After a while you just have to get ruthless and aim higher...we got beat today by a bunch of kids and a B grade midfield who are the bottom team, it was a regression and clearly we lack in mental toughness as you say as well as some skills.
This was clearly the old Carlton with some of the old Carlton players doing the same stuff and checking out thinking it was an easy game. We should have belted the Crows and there has to be retribution or it will keep happening and Teague will come under pressure and we all know it wont be a happy ending...

Essentially culture, mental attitude and belief.

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Reply #42
Dogs are in the 8 and are the only ones that deserve to make it. They're the only ones not to have blown gold-plated opportunities. Melbourne, GWS and Carlton all gifted chances and pissed them down the drain.

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Reply #43
I guess for me the concern is this....
We're probably finishing about where many of us expected.
That's fine....
But we seem to be finishing the season with a bit of a 'whimper' rather than a 'bang'
It would be nice to go into the off-season with 'momentum" rather than 'question marks.'

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Reply #44
I guess for me the concern is this....
We're probably finishing about where many of us expected.
That's fine....
But we seem to be finishing the season with a bit of a 'whimper' rather than a 'bang'
It would be nice to go into the off-season with 'momentum" rather than 'question marks.'

Pricks will likely go win next week. That might piss us off even more.

Losing when we choked it up was bad enough but less of a concern because we worked hard to pt ourselves in the right position. Frustrating but that's the life of a developing side. When they just don't turn up to play and give half an effort until it's too late that is an issue.

We ended up as we expected but got there is pretty bizarre ways. In the end what we would've taken at the start of the year turned out disappointing as it could've been so much better, due the issues between the lugholes.

In the end Melbourne, GWS and us were similar. Given chances and wasted them.