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Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #15 –
I try to be positive, but games like that really make me angry.
[1] We will not get in front of our opponents, not for love nor money.
[2] We cannot kick the ball to another Carlton player.
[3] Our forwards are useless, but not because they have no talent. We just don't kick the ball to them! Is it any surprise they get so few possessions? We kick it to their opponents all of the time!
[4] Our defence is lacking at the moment. Charlotte Wilson and Kez Harrington in particular are not getting the ball. We miss the defenders who are missing badly, especially Gab Pound.
[5] Mimi Hill, Abby McKay, Jess Hosking and Maddy Prespakis were excellent, but there wasn't enough done by too many others.
[6] We are handball happy, but I'm not surprised, considering how poorly we kick. 3 shots at goal from close range for 2 points is not good enough. Then Georgie Gee passes the ball to nobody when she should have had a shot.
[7] There is no way in hell that we are going to play in the GF this year. Not enough players doing enough.
[8] Bree Moody is slowly becoming the player we hope she will be, but, my God, can she make a mistake!
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #16 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'd like to see Edwards' efficiency. Cannot hit a target by hand or foot, and shouldn't be playing in defence because her turnovers hurt.
She struggled tonight. Her ball handling was ordinary and she couldn't find a team mate by foot. But she had plenty of fellows in that department.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #17 –
Biggest problem is the backline. Leak too many goals. As a result the whole team has to flood back (when they can) to help out, which means we have nothing going the other way we we repel. Not sure what the missing players positions are (other than  Laloifi )  but if they aren't backline players we're cactus.

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #18 –
I'm wondering what has happened to Harrington and Wilson. Last year they were great in the air and helped provide a lot of run. Last week Muscles marked a fair bit, but fumbled under pressure and couldn't kick. This week she could take a mark. Kez came good in the last quarter, but she is just not producing the drive from half back.

At the moment, our defence appears to need someone tall and strong to take out the marking options. That would allow Wilson to intercept and Harrington to provide the run and carry (not to mention good disposal).
Mua would have helped, as she does provide run that we lacked badly. She also take intercept possessions.

The other things we need in defence is real pace. Neither Plane, Vernon or Edwards gives us that.

We BADLY miss Walker and Dalton: their pace and defensive pressure is enormous and they kick goals. They are also strong bodies who rarely fumble (although that took a while). O'Dea is trying, but she isn't getting to enough contests. Neither is Nik Stevens. Walker ability to run and handle the ball could have got us at least another 2 goals tonight. She is difficult to get off the ball.

I would make some changes. Too many players are not contributing enough.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #19 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Biggest problem is the backline. Leak too many goals. As a result the whole team has to flood back (when they can) to help out, which means we have nothing going the other way we we repel. Not sure what the missing players positions are (other than  Laloifi )  but if they aren't backline players we're cactus.

Two weeks in a row we've given away a run of unpressured in short time.  Kills in the women's game.

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #20 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'd like to see Edwards' efficiency. Cannot hit a target by hand or foot, and shouldn't be playing in defence because her turnovers hurt.
Looking at the stats Jess Edwards probably had her most productive game. She had 16 disposals, although most were handballs. The coaching panel obviously thinks she has a future and fair enough, as she is improving. But she really has to work on her ball handling and disposal.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #21 –
Quote from: laj – on
Two weeks in a row we've given away a run of unpressured in short time.  Kills in the women's game.
Absolutely. And until we can start dominating in the centre, as we have threatened to a number of times, we won't get those run-ons. We don't play in from often enough and our disposal lets us down so often.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #22 –
Just a standard start to the year for a side fielded by the Carlton Football Club.
Drugs are bad, mmmkay...

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #23 –
We are struggling for run in the absence of Dalton and Walker.

This season so far the umpiring emphasis has changed a little, we are not seeing reward for our tackling, and players are basically throwing or handing the ball off and not being penalised.

It's not rugby, it should still be umpired like footy!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #24 –
That was a very disappointing game and one that we should have won by a couple of goals.

The intercept marks stats should be interesting although, in our case, the category should be “kicks straight to opposition players” 🙄
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #25 –
Disappointing game.
Missed a couple of unforgivable sitters and struggled to create space. This is not a flag favorite side. I hope Harford has an ace up his sleeve otherwise we're 🌵
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #26 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'd like to see Edwards' efficiency. Cannot hit a target by hand or foot, and shouldn't be playing in defence because her turnovers hurt.

Im not singling out anyone, to be it was team wide.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #27 –
Quote from: laj – on
Two weeks in a row we've given away a run of unpressured in short time.  Kills in the women's game.
Where have I seen that before? Oh yeah that's right...
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #28 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
[2] We cannot kick the ball to another Carlton player.

[3] Our forwards are useless, but not because they have no talent. We just don't kick the ball to them! Is it any surprise they get so few possessions? We kick it to their opponents all of the time!
2 points, one common theme. We are missing our 'line breakers' Dalton and Walker. They are able to run and bounce and get a long kick to the advantage of our teammates....usually breaking the zones. Instead, we have nobody to do that so we grab the ball and kick it as long as we can......which is where our opposition has set up the wall and it goes straight to them.
Have a bounce and you can kick over those same opposition players.

Quote from: crashlander – on
[4] Our defence is lacking at the moment. Charlotte Wilson and Kez Harrington in particular are not getting the ball. We miss the defenders who are missing badly, especially Gab Pound.
Opposition players are keeping the ball away from them.
When you have a few 'weak links' in the absence of Pound and Mua our 'team defence' is more of an individual defence.

Quote from: crashlander – on
[5] Mimi Hill, Abby McKay, Jess Hosking and Maddy Prespakis were excellent, but there wasn't enough done by too many others.
We are missing McEvoy here, and GREG has been below par IMO. They are the 'new breed' who have size, speed and talent and offer a good counterpoint to the above.

Quote from: crashlander – on
[6] We are handball happy, but I'm not surprised, considering how poorly we kick. 3 shots at goal from close range for 2 points is not good enough. Then Georgie Gee passes the ball to nobody when she should have had a shot.
Georgia Gee needs to be told to be selfish. No way in hell she should pass the ball off when she is within kicking distance. When goals are so hard to come by, take a shot when you can. I know the girls are tight and they play team footy and look after eachother, but there is a balance we need to find and we are playing too unselfish at the moment.
The handball, handball, handball game plan gets the girls into the game, and stops kicking it to the opposition, but as i said earlier we are missing the line breakers to make that super effective.

Quote from: crashlander – on
[7] There is no way in hell that we are going to play in the GF this year. Not enough players doing enough.
I said last week that it would be a good kick up the backside. Perhaps 2 wins is the kick they need. We are both the most experienced side and the youngest side. If we get a few players back, i see us making a big run at finals. But it has to turn around now. Season is too short.

Quote from: crashlander – on
[8] Bree Moody is slowly becoming the player we hope she will be, but, my God, can she make a mistake!
2 years ago she was good. Last year she was unfit.
She is back to being fit, but still struggles being a 'dinosaur' of sorts in the ruck. It takes about 7 minutes for the ball to leave her hand and hit her foot when she is kicking, simply not enough time to do that in a pack before it gets smothered. On the run she cannot time it effectively. She also cannot bounce the ball to save herself. To get the best out of her we need her deep in defence in the hole intercepting (then handballing to a runner) or deep in attack taking marks/bringing the ball down to our crumbers. She should stay out of the middle of the ground.

That is where Al Downie comes in. Her agility, speed and tackling is more suited there.
If we are not going to play Downie to her strengths, we need to bring in Gibbs who can play ruck, take a mark and kick a goal and give Moody a chopout in the ruck.

Re: AFLW Rd 2 2021 Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Friday at Whitten Oval

Reply #29 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Looking at the stats Jess Edwards probably had her most productive game. She had 16 disposals, although most were handballs. The coaching panel obviously thinks she has a future and fair enough, as she is improving. But she really has to work on her ball handling and disposal.
I don't mean to single her out, but she to me epitomizes the difference between AFLW in its early years, and AFLW now.

She doesn't have the skill set of someone who has played football her entire life. She has the heart, desire and ability to carry out instructions, but not the skills required to be damaging. She hurts us as much as she hurts them. She is not alone. Brazzale is similar in some regards, but she at least offers run and carry and a long boot.....not an accurate one, but a long one.

When we have a few more 'youngsters' coming through who have played their whole life, their skill level will be superior and you just need to find someone as aggresive at the contest and Jess Edwards won't be seen again.

She wasn't picked last week and if we didn't have 4 injuries, she wouldn't have been picked this week. Great depth player, not a starter.