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Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #15
1. Football is a game of chess. We have all the right pieces, just not using them to their maximum advantage. This includes players in the 2's or players on the injury list.
2. Said it in the in-game, but Saad is worth every bit of the pick 8 we gave up for him. It was a game that had mistakes, but his 'road runner' ability to get it and take off and dodge obstacles along the way is something only a handful of players in the game can do.
Saad is very good but we lack a few pieces IMO....Collingwood are an average mid pack team and we couldnt handle what they served up. You look at their team and apart from Grundy, DeGoey and Moore its workman like at best.
Had a drop off in talent with Treloar, Stephenson and Philips all departing in a chaotic trade period and a coach who is in turmoil off the field and we still never looked like it. You add Eddie losing his job, racism issues and they had a few excuses to bail this game and under perform but it was us who keeled over like we had all those problems.
I think part of our problem is thinking we do have the pieces... a lot of unproven pieces IMHO. Saad being an exception and as you say worth pick 8 and earning his money.

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #16
Saad is very good but we lack a few pieces IMO....Collingwood are an average mid pack team and we couldnt handle what they served up. You look at their team and apart from Grundy, DeGoey and Moore its workman like at best.
Had a drop off in talent with Treloar, Stephenson and Philips all departing in a chaotic trade period and a coach who is in turmoil off the field and we still never looked like it. You add Eddie losing his job, racism issues and they had a few excuses to bail this game and under perform but it was us who keeled over like we had all those problems.
I think part of our problem is thinking we do have the pieces... a lot of unproven pieces IMHO. Saad being an exception and as you say worth pick 8 and earning his money.


We are on our 4th senior coach the whole time Buckley has been coaching Collingwood.

I wonder why they're better drilled.....

Ratten, into malthouse into barker, into Bolton into Teague. 

If you add barker's acting role its 5 senior coaches.

Thats not to absolve Teague.  What id wager though if you rank the clubs in order by longest serving coaches, off the top of my head you'll rank them roughly in order of success over the last 20 years.

There's something in continuity.  There's no coincidence that the smoothest transition of coach we've seen recently has been at Geelong and they just played in yet another grand final.
Come on you Blue FLAGGERS!!

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #17
To be real about it, we made a massive mistake in flicking Ratten and signing on with an author of no particular note. 

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #18
We are on our 4th senior coach the whole time Buckley has been coaching Collingwood.

I wonder why they're better drilled.....

Ratten, into malthouse into barker, into Bolton into Teague. 

If you add barker's acting role its 5 senior coaches.

Thats not to absolve Teague.  What id wager though if you rank the clubs in order by longest serving coaches, off the top of my head you'll rank them roughly in order of success over the last 20 years.

There's something in continuity.  There's no coincidence that the smoothest transition of coach we've seen recently has been at Geelong and they just played in yet another grand final.
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches.  Years As FInalist
Haw   4                         2                                 11
Rich   3                         4                                 8
Geel   3                         2                                 15
Bris      3                         4                                 7
WC      2                         3                                 14
Syd      2                         3                                 16
PA      1                         4                                 10
WB      1                         5                                 8
Coll      1                         2                                 13
      
Ade      0                         6                                 12
Car      0                         6                                 5
Ess      0                         6                                 9
Freo   0                         5                                 7
GC      0                         4                                 0
GWS   0                         2                                 4
Melb   0                         5                                 5
NM      0                         5                                 8
StK      0                         6                                 8
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #19

A couple of those clubs have stuck with their coaches through a rough period and come out the other side.
If you're a successful club you won't go through coaches at a great rate.
If you're an unsuccessful club the changes will occur more often.

Are clubs successful because they stick with a coach or is it because they're successful they don't swing the changes so often?
It's a bit of a 'chicken and egg' argument.

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #20
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches
Haw   4                         2
Rich   3                         4
Geel   3                         2
Bris      3                         4                         
WC      2                         3
Syd      2                         3
PA      1                         4
WB      1                         5
Coll      1                         2
      
Ade      0                         6
Car      0                         6
Ess      0                         6
Freo   0                         5
GC      0                         4
GWS   0                         2
Melb   0                         5
NM      0                         5
StK      0                         6

Wow its more telling than I thought.
Come on you Blue FLAGGERS!!

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #21
A couple of those clubs have stuck with their coaches through a rough period and come out the other side.
If you're a successful club you won't go through coaches at a great rate.
If you're an unsuccessful club the changes will occur more often.

Are clubs successful because they stick with a coach or is it because they're successful they don't swing the changes so often?
It's a bit of a 'chicken and egg' argument.

Theres definitely an element of both but a bog ordinary side well drilled will always look better than a talented side that aren't well drilled (gws as reference point).
Come on you Blue FLAGGERS!!

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #22
1.   Curnow either heavy tags or he’s out.
2.  Play Setterfield in the guts or he is out. He’s not a wingman!!

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #23
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches
Haw   4                         2
Rich   3                         4
Geel   3                         2
Bris      3                         4                         
WC      2                         3
Syd      2                         3
PA      1                         4
WB      1                         5
Coll      1                         2
      
Ade      0                         6
Car      0                         6
Ess      0                         6
Freo   0                         5
GC      0                         4
GWS   0                         2
Melb   0                         5
NM      0                         5
StK      0                         6

Pretty interesting stuff, to say the least. Good research, GTC Old Son.

Be interesting to break down these figures even further into, Years As Finalist... Number of Coaches.

Adelaide could have won a premiership and lost a coach through tragic circumstances... a coach who'd probably still be there if not for that.

Constancy sure does help continuity and building cohesion/culture. But we've had the same assistant coaches for years now and I notice clubs with the same senior coach for an extended period regularly 'refresh' the assistant coach ranks.

It took 6 goes, but I suspect the Aints have found their man. I watched the short video on the AFL website featuring Ratts... really interesting stuff re player feedback and Ratts' approach and approachability. He's learned much over his journey and already had a good base to build upon, in regard to his understanding of the game and a natural high strategic intelligence.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #24
1.   Curnow either heavy tags or he’s out.
2.  Play Setterfield in the guts or he is out. He’s not a wingman!!
Both out of form and should be dropped this week.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #25
Pretty interesting stuff, to say the least. Good research, GTC Old Son.

Be interesting to break down these figures even further into, Years As Finalist... Number of Coaches.

Adelaide could have won a premiership and lost a coach through tragic circumstances... a coach who'd probably still be there if not for that.

Constancy sure does help continuity and building cohesion/culture. But we've had the same assistant coaches for years now and I notice clubs with the same senior coach for an extended period regularly 'refresh' the assistant coach ranks.

It took 6 goes, but I suspect the Aints have found their man. I watched the short video on the AFL website featuring Ratts... really interesting stuff re player feedback and Ratts' approach and approachability. He's learned much over his journey and already had a good base to build upon, in regard to his understanding of the game and a natural high strategic intelligence.
Ratts = Successful Clarkson Factory
Teague = Broken Adelaide Factory
Any wonder they have passed us so fast we have wind burn, well played Blues.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #26
Pretty interesting stuff, to say the least. Good research, GTC Old Son.

Be interesting to break down these figures even further into, Years As Finalist... Number of Coaches.

Adelaide could have won a premiership and lost a coach through tragic circumstances... a coach who'd probably still be there if not for that.

Constancy sure does help continuity and building cohesion/culture. But we've had the same assistant coaches for years now and I notice clubs with the same senior coach for an extended period regularly 'refresh' the assistant coach ranks.

It took 6 goes, but I suspect the Aints have found their man. I watched the short video on the AFL website featuring Ratts... really interesting stuff re player feedback and Ratts' approach and approachability. He's learned much over his journey and already had a good base to build upon, in regard to his understanding of the game and a natural high strategic intelligence.
Your wish is my command Baggers
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches.  Years As FInalist
Haw   4                         2                                 11
Rich   3                         4                                 8
Geel   3                         2                                 15
Bris      3                         4                                 7
WC      2                         3                                 14
Syd      2                         3                                 16
PA      1                         4                                 10
WB      1                         5                                 8
Coll      1                         2                                 13
     
Ade      0                         6                                 12
Car      0                         6                                 5
Ess      0                         6                                 9
Freo   0                         5                                 7
GC      0                         4                                 0
GWS   0                         2                                 4
Melb   0                         5                                 5
NM      0                         5                                 8
StK      0                         6                                 8
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #27
Have seen enough of LOB and Dow to put a line through them. Would take a massive turnaround for those 2 to turn into the sort of player we thought we would when we selected them which is a massive fail.

Kennedy and Cunningham are on their last chance and while i rate Cunningham as a player with the tools to make it but he just doesn’t want it enough and will likely fall on this own sword come years end.

Williamson, Cottrell, Setterfield, marchbank and McGovern haven’t lived up to expectations either and while I’m willing to give them more time I would be surprised if they made it into the players we thought they will.

Add in last seasons/likely departures of casboult, Murphy and Betts and again we seem to be having to make way too many forced changes at years end considering where our list should be! 

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #28
Your wish is my command Baggers  :))  :))  :)) You're a bloody ripper, GTC, a bloody ripper, good friend... :))  :))  :))
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches.  Years As FInalist
Haw   4                         2                                 11
Rich   3                         4                                 8
Geel   3                         2                                 15
Bris      3                         4                                 7
WC      2                         3                                 14
Syd      2                         3                                 16
PA      1                         4                                 10
WB      1                         5                                 8
Coll      1                         2                                 13
     
Ade      0                         6                                 12
Car      0                         6                                 5
Ess      0                         6                                 9
Freo   0                         5                                 7
GC      0                         4                                 0
GWS   0                         2                                 4
Melb   0                         5                                 5
NM      0                         5                                 8
StK      0                         6                                 8
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Two things after Round 2

Reply #29
Looks at the Premiership returns % for years as a finalist for:
Dawks
Pussycats
Brisvegas &
Tiggers... All pretty darn impressive.

But then look at the Premiership % returns for years as a finalist for:
Adelaide, Rottingwood & cheats.com.au   :o  :o

Then check out the cultures, particularly at the Dawks, Pussycats and Tiggers! (Brisvegas got an almighty leg up from the AFL).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17