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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #45 –
Let's not kid ourselves, that was the weakest whorks outfit I've ever seen,  yet the handful of senior players they fielded caused us major issues.  All I took from it was that our kids are way more advanced than theirs,  if we're only 4 goals better at this point in time then there's a serious problem Jan.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #46 –
Going into this game, if i offered you a 4-goal win, you'd take it.

Job done.

We won.
We won ugly, but we won.

Plenty of errors. Plenty of good signs.

These are the games we just have to win....and we did.
On to next week.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #47 –
Anyone else seen the Hartigan hit on Walsh 100 meters off the ball?
Elbowed him straight to the head and dropped him.
ZERO media coverage so far...

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #48 –
Well done to Ed Curnow for winning the David Parkin medal.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #49 –
Quote from: stevie-poo – on
Anyone else seen the Hartigan hit on Walsh 100 meters off the ball?
Elbowed him straight to the head and dropped him.
ZERO media coverage so far...
https://www.afl.com.au/news/619167/hawk-under-investigation-for-off-the-ball-hit-on-star-blue

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Let's not kid ourselves, that was the weakest whorks outfit I've ever seen,  yet the handful of senior players they fielded caused us major issues.  All I took from it was that our kids are way more advanced than theirs,  if we're only 4 goals better at this point in time then there's a serious problem Jan.
Agree, you would take the 4 points but wouldn't take much else away from the game.Hawks are a very ordinary line up but we needed to beat them to exercise a few demons from the past given they dominated us for decades. Have to play a lot better to beat the Swans at home...

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Let's not kid ourselves, that was the weakest whorks outfit I've ever seen,  yet the handful of senior players they fielded caused us major issues.  All I took from it was that our kids are way more advanced than theirs,  if we're only 4 goals better at this point in time then there's a serious problem Jan.
Pretty weak defence and average attack, but I think their midfield is pretty reasonable,
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #52 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Stocker is physical and attacks the ball well which I like but played on Bruest who kicked three goals, had 13 touches so Stocker needs to pay more attention to his man if he is going to play down back.
I can't work out why he isn't in the middle helping Cripps and Walsh..
I was critical on Stocker early in the game when watching live but when you really think about its the match up that is asking a hell of a lot on a kid rather then our guy playing too loose (by the way Saad was on Bruest for his 3rd goal)
Bruest is a seasoned very smart forward, to keep him to 2 goals in your 10 game is a pass from me. Add in his offensive side to his game and he more then contributes. He is tough has a bit of pr!ck about him and has been given some very dangerous forwards to take this year, Charlie Cameron, Tippa etc.  Reckon SOS might have found one with this kid.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #53 –
Quote from: stevie-poo – on
Anyone else seen the Hartigan hit on Walsh 100 meters off the ball?
Elbowed him straight to the head and dropped him.
ZERO media coverage so far...
My mate was at 'The G' in the MCC Members and said is was a dead set dog act of the Clarkson variety, should we expect any less?

He reckons Foxtel must have footage as it would be in the middle of the view for the behind the goals cameras.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #54 –
There is a lot of talk on the Harry and Cripps signatures but im hoping as soon as they are out the way Jack gets offered a fair extension. 
Shows more then enough to be given another contract and just hope there is no flow on from the issues with his Dad that may play a part in what he is offered.  He is an underrated player IMO and we are a lot harder to play against in our F50 when he is out there. Very smart user and does so many of the little things that hopefully are noticed when considering his future with us.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #57 –
Quote from: laj – on

If we didn't 5hit our pants against the Dogs we'd be sitting in the 8.

The later part of the Dogs game was indeed shocking but I watched the Dogs put the Aints to the torch last night and they look like they could go right through any other team.

We are a long way short of where we would like to be but we seem to be playing a few more scrappers and overlooking some who might be more talented but not as up for the fight or fast enough to get to it.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
To be honest, I don't get the negativity.

Clarkson, smarting from last week's loss and desperate for a win, got his inexperienced boys to attack us at our weakness... fierce pressure, scrappy footy... but we absorbed it and came away with a win.

Had the Dawks bought that ferocity to last week's game against the Kangabies, they'd have won.

To me, that win had character and heart - no nice. We were fierce at the contest, limited them to 9 goals, and yes, there were mutual howlers but that happens in dour games.

Buoyed by Williams, Stocker, TDK and Saad.

H has a quiet day but still slots 2 critical goals.

Doc looks much better on a wing (and Williams much, much better off half back).

A number of other important positives as well: Owies, SOJ, Eddie turning back the clock, Murph's composure in the 3rd when needed and the relentless endeavour from Ed C.

Grinding out a win in a game like that can do much for confidence and morale... now to back it up.
The standard of the game suggested that it was one between two of the lesser teams, and it is probably right to think so. But I was pleased that we really gutsed the game out, especially when Hawthorn kicked 3 in three minutes.

There were things that bothered me:
[1] Clarkson winning the coaching battle. His style of game was better than ours, which really frustrates me.
To be honest, our game style is not that bad until we get close to the forward 50. It is then that we forget everything and just pump the ball in long to a pack, from which we rarely get the ball.
There are other aspects to our game, especially our inability to spoil and our decision making, that need a lot of work.
To be honest, I'm not sure Teague is the man for the job. But I'm not sure Clarkson is either. I really do not like him. I have never forgiven him for breaking Ian Aitken's jaw, which I saw live. I like the way his teams attack the ball more than I like our relative lack of physicality, but there are other aspects that I really do not like.
[2] We really have weaknesses when it comes to curtailing the opposition's best players. Mitchell, for example, got the ball 40 times. That he was relatively ineffective was lucky for us. But we've really got to work out a way and train and man to smother opponents.

What pleased me:
[1] Setterfield: with Setters playing in the midfield he managed to get more of the ball. And he didn't turn it over as often. Not sure about his hardness yet, but he was much better than he has been.
[2] Putting Williams back at HB and Docherty on the wing has been an excellent move. Both players made fewer mistakes and got the ball a lot more. Doc's kicking is still requires some work, but he hasn't been caught out in defence with his man free.
[3] Tom de Koning wasn't brilliant, but he was decent and he will get better. His athleticism in the middle and around goal was good. And Marc Pittonet was good as a resting ruckman, getting a couple of nice marks and a goal when they were needed.
[4] Stocker was definitely a positive. he worked well and made some good decisions. His kicking is also an improvement. His attack on the ball was better and he didn't just simply defend.
[5] Gibbo had probably his best game this season. While that is not saying a lot, he was much better than he has been. He put his body on the line and showed courage. And he kicked straight when he needed to.
[6] Eddie was good again. Owies is showing a bit and kicking a couple of good goals.
I am finding a problem with Owies at the moment: he gets brushed aside too easily. That was also the case in the 2nds a few weeks back. When kicking to him as a marking target, the ball usually comes back the other way. I would not have him as a permanent feature yet, but I am liking much of what he does.
If we dropped him back, I'd be tempted to play Honey in this place, as Honey is that bit stronger.
[7] Sam Walsh! What a player this guy is!
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #59 –
I was at the game. A couple of disclaimers:

We were sitting at the very back of the top of the Olympic stand.  It was great, because we had the sun on our backs and it was nice and warm, however, I was also wearing the wrong specs, so couldn't easily identify the players.  Our family (4 Blues) went with a good mate (neutral) and his son (Hawks).

There was 7-8 minutes in the third quarter and same again in the last where the turnovers were appalling.  Would have preferred to be at the local footy where there is some expectation of this.  We were actually laughing it was so bad.

At the end of the first half, we were surprised that Hawks were 3 points down.  We were doing it easily, but didn't really notice the Hawks scoring (or that they had more scores than us for most of the day) - weren't really watching the scoreboard until the second half.

The turning point was when Kositschke played on in the goal square, we tackled and got the free.  We seemed to settle a bit after that.

The scoreboard had disposal efficiency at about 73% each - don't know what makes an efficient disposal, but it certainly didn't feel that at the ground.

Watched the replay.  In the last qtr, Jordan Lewis was asked, how he saw Cripps' game - "OK"  then was given some stats "I take that back he's been good"  then was told Cripps had the most pressure acts on the ground "OK - he's been excellent".  Pickle.