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Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #105 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Too many high jumpers and shadows methinks…

Gibbs' last season with us was 2017. 2018 was the worst season in our history. Now, I'm not in any way suggesting causation, but I don't think it's coincidence either. There's a number of forces, decisions, events etc., that made 2018 what it was, but Gibbs leaving was certainly one.

Having been on these forums for 15+ years, it's quite obvious to me that supporters are rarely in the best position to judge which players are valuable, what goes on behind the scenes etc. They have players they don't like (a position always reached by simple, objective observation  8)) , and they interpret situations accordingly.

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #106 –
Bit of an unintended insult to those who have decades of knowledge and support of the club, don't you think?

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Reply #107 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
I remember that game well, I was standing behind the goals at the Lygon St end - even more interesting, it came immediately after our two worst games for the season (the only 2 we lost).  They fronted up against Hawthorn and absolutely steamrolled them, 15 more wins after that  including the flag.

Sometimes, a line in the sand game can snowball into a run of top performances (crosses fingers for Sunday and beyond...)

God I miss those days.  3 goals down at half time...  not a problem...  1000% confident we’ll be up by 4 goals by 3/4 time....esp if we are kicking to heatley end

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #108 –
Murphy should be grateful he got back in for doing nothing unlike SPS.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #109 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Id love to know what they aren't happy about.

It's a big unknown.
Are they really unhappy?
How are the players connecting off-field?
Are there divisions between the group...little cliques. (older v younger, possibles v probables, longer at the club v newer)
You can understand a fair bit of unhappiness around the fringes.
Some players being given games when others think it should be their spot.
How is that manifesting itself in terms of dynamics around the club.
It doesn't seem that obvious on field.
Players seem to get around one another after goals, or console others who make mistakes.
But who knows?
If such divisions exist it could be a factor in some of the inconsistent performances.


Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #110 –
Quote from: Lods – on
It's a big unknown.
Are they really unhappy?
How are the players connecting off-field?
Are there divisions between the group...little cliques. (older v younger, possibles v probables, longer at the club v newer)
You can understand a fair bit of unhappiness around the fringes.
Some players being given games when others think it should be their spot.
How is that manifesting itself in terms of dynamics around the club.
It doesn't seem that obvious on field.
Players seem to get around one another after goals, or console others who make mistakes.
But who knows?
If such divisions exist it could be a factor in some of the inconsistent performances.



Comes back to culture, tail wagging the dog so to speak. If feel like a broken record but successful teams have players who do whatever the coaches asks without dropping the bottom lip.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #111 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Too many high jumpers and shadows methinks…

Absolutely!

I would be very disappointed if Murphy wasn’t disappointed about being dropped.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #112 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Absolutely!

I would be very disappointed if Murphy wasn’t disappointed about being dropped.
Exactly what i was going to say. Shows he still has a passion for competing!

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Reply #113 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Exactly what i was going to say. Shows he still has a passion for competing!

Unless you don't like the player then you can call him a sook.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #114 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Absolutely!

I would be very disappointed if Murphy wasn’t disappointed about being dropped.

Yes, he actually seemed quite indignant,  good on him.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #115 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Having been on these forums for 15+ years, it's quite obvious to me that supporters are rarely in the best position to judge which players are valuable, what goes on behind the scenes etc. They have players they don't like (a position always reached by simple, objective observation  8)) , and they interpret situations accordingly.
The tell is that they never or very rarely credit certain players, even when they have outstanding games or moments, to them that player that they hate is analogous to how Carlton is to BT, Ling or Darcy!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #116 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Exactly what i was going to say. Shows he still has a passion for competing!
Pity he doesn't translate that so called "competitive passion" when he's on the field eh? Such a sook...
Drugs are bad, mmmkay...

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #117 –
All I’ll say is ‘compare the pair’ 

Mark Murphy  /  Nathan Jones
Both ex captains
Both one club player through hard times
Both 300 games players (give or take!)
Both probably had chances to go elsewhere
Both no longer walk up starts in their respective teams.

Not sure Jones would react like that……

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Reply #118 –
Very observant townsend :)

Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #119 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Unless you don't like the player then you can call him a sook.
Ive have always liked Murph and have backed him in on most occasions when criticised by many, he sooked it up IMO, dont care what anyone says.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership