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Re: Football Department Review

Reply #795 –
Quote from: laj – on
About timing. When players, coaches and others play half a season with a sword hanging over their head it just creates distrust and disunity. Hence you get the performances like we have seen recently. For a young coach the pressure must've been enormous. Must've been hard to think clear and concisely as you would need to in that position.
I disagree, we have been performing exactly the same every year more or less without reviews occurring.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #796 –
Also reported on Ch7 by Tom Browne tonight was something about Chris Judd has been involved in the review, I didn't catch it properly maybe someone else heard and they can elaborate.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #797 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Also reported on Ch7 by Tom Browne tonight was something about Chris Judd has been involved in the review, I didn't catch it properly maybe someone else heard and they can elaborate.

Conflicting reports, dated 13th August :

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/football-expertise-on-blues-board-queried-as-they-assess-review-20210813-p58ilj.html

Carlton great Chris Judd is set to officially step down from the board at the end of the season along with outgoing president Mark LoGiudice after making his intention to depart the club clear in May, a month before the independent review was called.

Judd did not attend Thursday night’s board meeting where the review was presented and has not been involved since the club commissioned respected football judges Geoff Walsh, Matthew Pavlich and Graham Lowe to conduct the review.

Re: Football Department Review

Reply #798 –
Lets have a look at the review and some of the information that has come out recently.

1. Eddie Betts has been told this is it.....and was told 3 weeks ago.
2. Levi has been told similar, when....we don't quite now, but we just found out.
3. Gold Coast have already contacted and sought out Levi Casboult.....so it suggests that he was also told a little while ago.

Now....park that for a minute and think about this.

Teague....the biggest problem people have with his time as coach has been 'his' performance against bottom placed North Melbourne (despite having no KPPs available). Further to that was our performance against Port.

Putting it all together....
Our team performance went down hill at the exact time....
1. Betts was told he was no longer required.
2. Docherty found out his cancer had returned
3. We had our weakest ever side available for selection.
.....and potentially Murphy, Casboult and whoever else as well.

Now the 2 and 3 are flat out unfortunate, but 1 is on the club and the timing.

The review has caused issues for the coach and the coach has been put under pressure by the review. Its a self fulfilling prophecy.

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Reply #799 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Its a self fulfilling prophecy.
Some will say that is exactly how corporate reviews work.

The question is posed only after the preferred answer is known!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #800 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Also reported on Ch7 by Tom Browne tonight was something about Chris Judd has been involved in the review, I didn't catch it properly maybe someone else heard and they can elaborate.

I did not hear the first few seconds of Tom Browne's report but I also did hear that Judd had had input into the review.

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Reply #801 –
Quote from: LP – on
Some will say that is exactly how corporate reviews work.

The question is posed only after the preferred answer is known!
I said similar as soon as the review was announced. The mere fact it was announced changed what was being observed. People simply change the way they behave when they know they are being observed

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Reply #802 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I said similar as soon as the review was announced. The mere fact it was announced changed what was being observed. People simply change the way they behave when they know they are being observed
They are being observed/scrutinised every week of every year whether it's by official reviewers, coaches, boards, supporters, media etc.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #803 –
MLG didn't want to be the one to wield the axe anymore.
It's been handed over.
Next week Sayers will start to make the changes he feels necessary or wants.

It will have little to do with the review.
The review was just a facade.
It will have provided information that was always already well known.
Where it conflicts with what is desired it will be ignored.

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Reply #804 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
They are being observed/scrutinised every week of every year whether it's by official reviewers, coaches, boards, supporters, media etc.
Yes, but they largely ignore all external noise and focus on what their safe place wants eg coaches and club. Now their safe place has turned on them and is out for blood. Its every man for himself!

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Reply #805 –
Well Ross aint gonna coach Coll, he stated on FC he is not interested.
Will take a call from us and consider it if a vacancy becomes available.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #806 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Well Ross aint gonna coach Coll, he stated on FC he is not interested.
Will take a call from us and consider it if a vacancy becomes available.

Looks like Clarko or him as 2nd choice from what transpired.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #807 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Looks like Clarko or him as 2nd choice from what transpired.
My money is on Ross Lyon now,said he has a connection with the club and a lot of older ex players are endorsing him.
Got that smug look too.....

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Reply #808 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
My money is on Ross Lyon now,said he has a connection with the club and a lot of older ex players are endorsing him.
Got that smug look too.....
Thought the same 😔