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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #150 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
Nice post Paul
A good segway into the mental attributes of individuals (i.e. mental toughness), which is shown to provide an edge. Other factors being equal (talent, fitness, deveopment, leadership, cohesion, game plan, resources...) it can be the final piece of the success puzzle. Those with high mental toughness tend to perform consistently in the face of everyday challenges and adversity. It's also an attribute that can be assessed and developed. Not the panacea in sport, but definitely a contributor to success.

Thanks LN. This is one of the many things Bolton was trying to implement, mental toughness to endure when things aren't going your way. Although I'm not convinced our issues are strictly in that space.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #151 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Thanks LN. This is one of the many things Bolton was trying to implement, mental toughness to endure when things aren't going your way. Although I'm not convinced our issues are strictly in that space.


There were certainly many opportunities to develop under Bolton. You're right, that's but one small part of the machine.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #152 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Baggers assuming your comments are based on our performance this year, I ask is Teaguey limited or do we overrate many on our list?

Not sure it is neither. We base our thoughts on the that issue based on thinking they'll actually have a crack and work hard. Often they don't. Tough to get a true guide on either of those with that being the case. Physically they may be pretty good, as may Teague, but we know they are mentally weak as they won't put it out there each game. Can have a game plan but it'll be useless if the players won't work hard enough to execute it. We've spent the year not defending properly. Not a part of the plan as Teague gave them an almighty spray over it against Hawthorn. So that's the players.

We've probably been stronger under Teague than previous coaches, which says not much as the bar was very low. All we can say we have won a more games and are competitive nearly every game, at least on the scoreboard. Much more than we can say under previous coaches bar Ratten, but that is still no-where near good enough. At least the 100pt defeats have stopped, especially getting outscored 7 goal to 1 in a qtr by a side that often just had 16 men. Basically where we started under Teague. Can't be happy with that though.

As supporters we all never learn. We come on hoping and expecting plenty but often disappointed and frustrated with the output. We were in a position to make the 8. No matter what anyone says, most were hoping hard and deep down a touch excited (within reason), then we got that dished up yesterday, hence disappointed and frustrated. As I said, we all, including me, never learn. Better off expecting they'll bludge and stuff it up and being pleasantly surprised when they don't. Sad to have to think that way.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #155 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Key takeaways -  lack of continuity, instability and disunity.
Plus average midfield in terms of talent and depth.....and Cripps not in the elite group of mids.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #156 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Plus average midfield in terms of talent and depth.....and Cripps not in the elite group of mids.
Plus this:
Blues’ pressure was non-existent as the Kangaroos kicked at 80 per cent efficiency, moving the ball from end to end like it was a training drill. Carlton conceded 10.2 from their back half in the second half.

Once the opposition turn the scoring tap on, the Blues have to rely on skill rather than system to turn it off. When skill deserts them opposition scores flow like the Amazon.

Damning. The bold bits kill us consistently.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #157 –
Yet the midfield is stronger with that hack Cripps in there and his mate Kennedy, but we needed them to play KPF.
But remember, injuries are just making excuses… 🤦🏼‍♂️
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #158 –
I wonder how many systems rely on playing with no key position forwards.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #159 –
We lost McKay late in the week and Teague shat himself, let's be blunt.

He made a myriad of changes when in reality few were needed.

1. Was Cripps fit? I doubt it.
2. Taking Kennedy out of the middle - just dumb. Pick Charlie or Kemp or McDonald or the Guv (back in full training for a month now) as a replacement tall target. Someone who has a smidgeon of a clue to play that role.
3. Cripps redefined the notion of a statue as a KPP.
4. Whatever the message was at half time it totally deflated the group.
5. Aaron Hall? No one went near him.
6. midfield was AWOL defensively again. Why? Dow back to his slow jog after the ball carrier - 7 tackles in Q3 for the entire team!!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #160 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
We were demolished and bullied in the middle of the ground and around the ball pretty much all day. H, Charlie, Kernahan, Lockett, Dunstall and Ablett Snr combined wouldn't have made one iota of difference today.

First half (esp the first q), we dominated the inside 50s, just didnt convert (both turning enough of them into shots, and actually kicking straight).  Then, when they waltzed through the middle, they converted EVERY time they went into fwd50.

So, i reckon in the first half, it was our forward line (and the delivery) that was the issue (as well as the lack of 2 way running, that allowed them easy goals).

If, we had used our opportunities in the first half, we would have been 6 goals up at half time, and that 3rd quarter rot would not have happenned

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #161 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
We lost McKay late in the week and Teague shat himself, let's be blunt.

He made a myriad of changes when in reality few were needed.
We do have an MC don't we?

I get the feeling this coach and recent others might be the victim of executive meddling, because the decisions seem to be more marketing / crowd driven than making any tactical sense.

For example I hear rumours Charlie is now up for Friday night, still yet to have played a serious VFL game. What the feck would you now rush him back for our season is over, ................... to sell hope and attract sponsors for 2022 that is why?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #162 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Funny, I said in the pre-game players would be unlucky to be dropped based on the Collingwood performance. This week it's hard to find anyone that wouldn't be dropped.
Eddie - non-event.
Owies - bugger all
Stocker - a shocker ( a week is a long time in football isn't it?)
Cottrell - bloody hell
Willo - God help me
SPS - Ghost
Weitering - worst game for the year
Fisher - zero impact

Slight chance of making finals. Playing a very winnable game. Fail dismally. Reminds me of a one of my favourite Elton John songs. "I've seen that movie too".
 
 ::)

Eddie - non-event.  - he was hurt for most of the game
Owies - bugger all
Stocker - a shocker ( a week is a long time in football isn't it?)
Cottrell - bloody hell
Willo - God help me
SPS - Ghost
Weitering - worst game for the year  -  yeah, larkey got away from him a couple of times, but he did repel a few attacks
Fisher - zero impact - he had 2 or 3 side steps in the fwd 50, that if he then missed the shot, convert those, and......   (i know, if my auntie had....)

 
 

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #163 –
Quote from: LP – on
We do have an MC don't we?

I get the feeling this coach and recent others might be the victim of executive meddling, because the decisions seem to be more marketing / crowd driven than making any tactical sense.

For example I hear rumours Charlie is now up for Friday night, still yet to have played a serious VFL game. What the feck would you now rush him back for our season is over, ................... to sell hope and attract sponsors for 2022 that is why?

Teague or the MC (which might just include Teague) is semantics.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #164 –
Quote from: LP – on
We do have an MC don't we?

I get the feeling this coach and recent others might be the victim of executive meddling, because the decisions seem to be more marketing / crowd driven than making any tactical sense.

For example I hear rumours Charlie is now up for Friday night, still yet to have played a serious VFL game. What the feck would you now rush him back for our season is over, ................... to sell hope and attract sponsors for 2022 that is why?

I would have played him this week to get the monkey off his back and to straighten us up (against North) only trepidation I had was the concrete surface at Marvel.

I endorse him playing AFL as soon as possible.  If he plays 5 games to finish this year, he will hit the ground running with confidence, or we will break him and know we need a key forward this off season.

If we wait until next year, he has a rip snorting pre season and breaks down in round 1 next year, what good does that do us?

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson