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I'd play him....

But I can understand a reluctance.
If things go bad they'll get crucified.
That mightn't be what's right....but is what will happen.

It's also probably a little different playing your first game when all around you on both sides are battle hardened.
And you and your teammates haven't played together under hard match conditions for some time.

I'd play him....

But I can understand a reluctance.
If things go bad they'll get crucified.
That mightn't be what's right....but is what will happen.

It's also probably a little different playing your first game when all around you on both sides are battle hardened.
And you and your teammates haven't played together under hard match conditions for some time.

As I said...I'm for playing him.
He may be the 7 goal forward he was in his second to last game.
And be the catalyst for an upset win.

More likely he'll be a little rusty and struggle with the pace of the game.
I suspect there will also still be a bit of caution with respect to time on the ground
We'll see if they're game enough to give him a run but I'll understand if they don't.

As I said...I'm for playing him.
He may be the 7 goal forward he was in his second to last game.
And be the catalyst for an upset win.

More likely he'll be a little rusty and struggle with the pace of the game.
I suspect there will also still be a bit of caution with respect to time on the ground
We'll see if they're game enough to give him a run but I'll understand if they don't.

A lot of people have bagged Williams this week, but I thought he was OK up until he was injured just before 1/2-time, it might have been his best 1/2 of footy for us up until that point.

Quite apart from the physical and skill development, which is on the coaches and conditioning folks....

I think there are few periods in our last twenty years where we've essentially 'lost our leaders'.
The most dramatic one was probably in the early-mid Pagan years.
As the older players of the nineties retired or were moved on...
A young Marc Murphy came into a side where the leaders were guys like an aging Kouta (great player, arguably not a great leader) Lance Whitnall, Nick Stevens...and Fev

The Judd years were moderately successful but Patrick Cripps only caught the tail of that.
This was his initial leadership group in his first season 2014...

Marc Murphy (c); Andrew Carrazzo, Kade Simpson (vc), Michael Jamison (dvc), Bryce Gibbs, Lachlan Henderson, Brock McLean, Andrew Walker.

Some good, average footballers, but in terms of leadership probably only one or two had the necessary qualities.

So to the rebuild... and we look and see that only one of our 2014 leadership group remains at the club...and he is struggling to get a game.

Now with players like Weitering and Walsh we may have the nucleus of a strong leadership group, but the results of those guys influencing younger players and have them joining them in leadership positions is probably still a season or two away.

Contrast that with some of the successful clubs, where young players undergo an initiation under the guidance of strong, experienced leaders and you see another reason why we struggle.

It's a sad state that a club that once prided itself on the quality of its 'player leaders' has this more recent history of mediocrity, which has been passed down through each new generation of leaders.

Thanks Lods, you have set out very clearly the problems we now face with leadership issues.  When combined with all the other issues that we know about, and others at Board level which we know nothing about but can make an educated guess, it is indeed a depressing picture.

To use an old saying, "We have more problems than you can poke a stick at."

Six years ago I bought into the whole rebuild idea as being the solution to our problems.  Instead, we seem to have dug ourselves into a very deep hole with no obvious way out. 

Maybe the covid lockdown is affecting my judgement, but I just see more years of mediocrity and bottom six positions ahead.

Here's my opinion on it and Ill probably get smashed for it but stiff crap. When we embarked on the rebuild plan under Bolts and SOS, it seemed for the first time in a long time, we had a plan. Everyone was patient, it was a whole of club plan. Then all of a sudden, on the back of poor performances, we blinked, deviated from or rather abandoned the plan, sacked the coach. Apart from a sugar hit at the start, we are we have fallen into "old Carlton" mode and we seem clueless on all fronts again.

But off the back of that, it's not unreasonable to suggest a poor decision was made in appointing Teague.

Tuesday,  and SEN still doing their utmost to get Teague sacked.

Tuesday,  and SEN still doing their utmost to get Teague sacked.

After watching the game I'm convinced that it's not Teague that's the problem....its the players.   We've got a couple that refuse point blank to do anything when the opposition have the ball,  and also a couple that are physically incapable of exerting defensive pressure.  It's not a recipe for success.  Defensive pressure needs to become the collective priority.