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Re: AAMI Community Match vs Melbourne

Reply #75 –
Quote from: LP – on
I sincerely doubt Newman will miss Rnd 1 unless he has a niggle.
I basically named my 21, with 1 to come from the rest....which included Newman
If you think he is a lock do you agree with the rest and he is the 22nd man or would you leave others out?

I've got nothing against Newman, but I'd rather have Saad, Williams and docherty as our small/medium backs.

Keep in mind this also pushes po
Lowman out of the side who I stand up for regularly.

Point being, it's not about if a bloke can play....we finally have enough who can, it's simply we can't fit them all in. O0

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Reply #76 –
Quote from: Mav – on

If I were in charge of the umpires I'd tell them that making contact with someone trying to mark a ball without any attempt to spoil (excluding a "body spoil") or mark is automatically a free kick.
If there is no attempt top mark then I agree, but using a shoulder of body to defend the space for the drop of the ball isn't illegal, but using hands is outright illegal in the rules and should be banned.

Coaches have forced a softening of the rules, as well as moron commentators like BT, who continually bleat about there being not enough force! The Scott's were beauties for this, but then again they were also beauties at "The Body Spoil" which is just code for tunnelling bigger opponents.

btw.' Franklin does the hands in the back all the time, Hall use to do it as well, as does Hawkins. They can use a upper arm or shoulder and that is legal in the rules if the ball is within the required distance. But use hands and I agree 100% it should be penalised.

Another thing I'd like to see ignored by umpires is small opponents running into big blokes and claiming high contact, it's become a deliberate tactic and they do it to Cripps al the time around the stoppages. Basically the midgets head straight towards him and face plant into his bicep then claim Cripps hit them high! Umpires should just ignore it, or even penalise these players for staging for free kicks. Whether it is legal of not I don't care about, it is not in the spirit of our sport, we don't want AFL players being carted off on a stretcher then bouncing up and running straight back on!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AAMI Community Match vs Melbourne

Reply #77 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
It's going to be tough to pick a round 1 side off the back of that..
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Competition for spots is as tight as its ever been.

Another advantage Vossy has over his predecessors!

The only high profile player who hasn't really performed in the pre-season games is Martin but we don't know how he is going at training.

I've got 26 players who are "locks" for Round 1, 9 whose form/ability/experience isn't quite up to it yet, and 7 out of contention with injuries.  Not a bad situation at all, particularly when at least 5 of the injured group are definitely in, or close to, our best 22. 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #78 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I've got nothing against Newman, but I'd rather have Saad, Williams and docherty as our small/medium backs.
I doubt McDonald or Young get a gig ahead of Doc or Newman, especially if we are running both Pitto and De Koning.

To me Weitering, McGovern, Newman, Saad and Williams are the D50 locks, the last spot is up for grabs and I suspect Doc gets it if they are confident in his fitness and ability to recover each week. Not sure who gets the bench gig, could be McDonald, Williamson or Plowman at this stage. I suspect one of the reasons we saw Williamson and Plowman getting a run forward is the coach testing their utility to fit into the game plan.

I suspect the F50 is BigH, Charlie, SoJ, Kennedy, Owies and one other small, it was probably Durdin until his calf issue, so now that might cause a reshuiffle. Maybe Martin, but more likely Fisher get the last F50 spot. btw., On form Charlie is not really a soda, and it may be that there is a toss up between De Koning and SoJ, given it could be about opposition as much as our own list balance.

Midfield is Pitto, Cripps, Cerra, Hewitt are locks, for the wings I can see LoB should be a lock, for the other wing we might opt for SoJ if he's not getting a F50 gig, he was playing there before our ruck crisis last season. But the same may apply to Kemp, Martin or Fisher they aren't in F50. One of them gets this gig until Walsh returns, I suspect Walsh will start on the wing much of the time this season with a commission to roam to stoppages at both ends of the ground.

It's quite possible Doc ends up interchange and not in the starting D50, he has the engine and agility to fill in anywhere from standing a bigger opponent in D50 to playing a small forward role. Again this may come down to opposition make up. I suspect Williamson is primarily starting on the bench this season simply because of his utility, he has the speed and endurance to play small and the size to play tall, it may be a toss up between him, Ed and Plowman. De Koning should start on the bench, for Rnd 1 I'm not sure who gets the last spot, perhaps Kennedy moves to the bench as the midfield rotation and we play another dedicated small forward type. But it's not impossible some weeks we'll go three talls in F50 or even three talls in D50 subject to opposition. So much depends on our midfield ability to win the footy at stoppages, they win enough footy and we get to set the terms, to the victor the spoils.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #79 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Exhibit A was late in the 1st quarter on the far wing when Lever used 2 hands to the back to push SOS out of a marking contest as SOS jumped, propelling him a couple of metres in the process. At least Lever then returned to the ball drop and got 2 hands to it before spilling it.

That was one of the most blatant free kicks never paid ... and there were a couple of others almost as bad.

I think that the 'hands in the back' rule went too far, but pushing a player under the ball in a marking contest has to be a free kick.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #80 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Another advantage Vossy has over his predecessors!
It's amazing what a bit of fitness does, in the past we struggled to fill the 22, now we are arguing about who is unlucky to miss out!

One thing that I think has come out of this pre-season, I like the continued limited rotations but I can see a huge advantage to increasing the match day team to 24, 6 on the bench. In pre-season having the two extra is delivering a sustained intensity by ensuring those who come on are fresh. I'd rather have the 24, keep the rotation cap and and have no medical subs.

I also think given the potential for COVID disruptions the AFL should seriously consider making this change before Rnd 1, it will make managing match days much simpler when H&S protocols kick in. You can almost pick a guy who's is only capable / going to play 3 Qtrs!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AAMI Community Match vs Melbourne

Reply #81 –
I agree re Newman....will definitely play Round 1. Richmond have a lot of small/medium forwards who'll need to be closely watched. Both Williams and Saad like to run offensively and maybe aren't as defensively minded. I hope Doc gets back but not sure it'll be Round 1 against Tigers.

That for me would mean back 6 of Newman, Weitering, McGovern, Saad, McDonald and Williams and then another on the bench...probably Plowman. Hard to see how both Young and McDonald would play, especially if McGovern is playing back. McDonald would then likely get first crack at Reiwoldt and Weitering takes Lynch?

Guys like Setterfield, Williamson, Cottrell will likely get squeezed out too and Durdin might not be risked with a calf....so Fisher/Owies get the small forward spots.

I hope we go with both TDK and Pittonet. Agree that Pittonet isn't your A-Grader like a Gawn etc, but loved his game the other night and he makes a contest every time. He'll need to do that again up against Richmond.

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Reply #82 –
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Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #83 –
Gibcus is doing well as a tall defender for the Tigers v Hawks. The Tigers took him with pick 9 but we could have nabbed him if we'd kept our pick 6. Still, I'm pretty sure most would be happy with us using pick 6 on Cerra right now. If Jones hadn't committed career suicide, it would have been even more clear cut.

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Reply #84 –
Quote from: Mav – on
If Jones hadn't committed career suicide, it would have been even more clear cut.
If McGovern keeps on this trajectory it's a win for us, sure he's smaller and maybe cannot stand gorilla types, but his ball use looks to be be a tad more consistent at picking and hitting targets than Jones! ;)

And I haven't noticed or missed any of those the infamous chaos spoils yet!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #85 –
Quote from: LP – on
If McGovern keeps on this trajectory it's a win for us, sure he's smaller and maybe cannot stand gorilla types, but his ball use looks to be be a tad more consistent at picking and hitting targets than Jones! ;)

And I haven't noticed or missed any of those the infamous chaos spoils yet!
His kicking on both sides of his body was a real highlight for me.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: AAMI Community Match vs Melbourne

Reply #86 –
Richmond perfected the tunnelling body spoil. But don't do it to them, the squealer will make sure you pay for it
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #87 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Richmond perfected the tunnelling body spoil. But don't do it to them, the squealer will make sure you pay for it
The problems start when the whingers get allies in The Big House, then all of a sudden "interpretations" change and it is like you are watching a different game!

I've a pretty simple outlook on this stuff, if it's not written in black and white in the laws of the game it's not a rule! I don't read anywhere in the rules that a push in the back is only a push in the back if it's above force threshold number 3!

As far as tunnelling goes, I don't care if you use hands, back, legs, shoulder or bum, it's not on, Dangerflog basically ended Judd's career with such an illegal spoil by unbalancing Judd using an outstretched leg!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #88 –
Casboult is looking in good nick in the Suns v Cats game. Hope he can take advantage of King's absence. He's certainly putting in the effort: he ironed out his team mate Mabil Chol who was about to mark on the lead, sprinted into the centre square for a mark and received a free in a marking contest 30 m out (but fortnuately a team mate took the advantage and scored the goal). All in the first few minutes. Promising signs.

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Reply #89 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Kennedy....the overnight success that's taken its time.
There was a game last year when he was the medical sub and came on with a lot of energy.
It was one of the first times I noticed that he looked confident and ready to impose himself.

I'll have to recheck it but I think while I was doing a scan of the B&F last year and noticed that Kennedy scored better than any player except Walsh and Weitering after the bye.
So maybe not that surprising. ;)

Kennedy struggled with injury for a couple of seasons. Then, he seemed to be out of favour under DT. I’m looking forward to him getting regular games. His marking and kicking for goal is a real strength as a midfielder. Just as Polson was the BB mini me, I think Bam Bam may be the Vossy mini me. At least I hope so.

So much to like during the hit out. None more pleasing than the defensive efforts across the ground. The synergy in the midfield was also pleasing.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.