AFL Rd 3 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

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Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #60 – March 30, 2022, 05:23:28 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 30, 2022, 03:29:57 pm

Yep, I misread the the OMac injury report.

I was hoping you were right!

I guess it provides an opportunity for Young to show whether he's up to the task. He seems to trust his judgement and attack the ball. That's fine provided he takes the mark or kills the contest with a well-directed spoil.

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Reply #61 – March 30, 2022, 05:24:14 pm

Newman wasn't bad - but Stocker is returning and Newy can't afford any poor quarters.
That's for the whole team really.

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Reply #62 – March 30, 2022, 07:18:53 pm

Newman i had as one who would struggle to cement a spot if everyone was fit (Also Plowman and Setterfield)
With Saad, Williams, Docherty, McGovern, Weitering and Omac/Young as the 2nd tall, you have a pretty solid back 6. Newman, plowman, stocker and even setterfield as your 7th defender....some good players are going to miss out.

Nothing against Newman, always been a fan, but we simply can't pick every player that is good enough for a game

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Reply #63 – March 31, 2022, 07:58:29 am

I think Stocker is a monty once he is fit and back in form. The kid is tough as nails and has good skills. Second picked behind Crippa if i have any idea about the way Vossy thinks.

A good player will have to miss when he comes back in. Good problem to have.

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Reply #64 – March 31, 2022, 08:14:35 am

Quote from: Tragic on March 31, 2022, 07:58:29 am

I think Stocker is a monty once he is fit and back in form.

Not sure anybody including the captain is a walk up start under Voss, and I suspect that is partly why we've seen broad improvements in performance.

Nobody thinks they are safe, there is competition for every spot!

Hypothetical;
Pre-2022 we lose Cripps or Walsh from the midfield, season disaster it's over, post-2021 we lose Cripps or Walsh from the midfield, not good but not season ending anymore. This is our new reality, we need to get use to it, our week to week fate no longer hinges on an individual, the days of Judd single-handed dragging the team across the line are long long gone. No more messiahs, just a team!

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Reply #65 – March 31, 2022, 08:50:35 am

Quote from: DJC on March 30, 2022, 05:23:28 pm

I was hoping you were right!

I guess it provides an opportunity for Young to show whether he's up to the task. He seems to trust his judgement and attack the ball. That's fine provided he takes the mark or kills the contest with a well-directed spoil.

From the limited time I have seen of him, Young looks like a more refined or polished version of Jones with his defensive efforts.

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Reply #66 – March 31, 2022, 09:09:02 am

I'd have Stocker in for Williams and Young from what I have seen panics when under pressure with his disposal. He couldn't maintain his place in the Dogs backline after starring vs us in his 1st game and it's not like they are KP Defender rich.
I don't mind Young as a developing player but to me he isn't the finished product who I would trust vs anyone decent.
Williams gets a bit of ball as a rebounder but I'm not sold on him as defender and prefer going with Stocker when fit as imho he offers more as a close checking defender.

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Reply #67 – March 31, 2022, 09:24:59 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on March 31, 2022, 09:09:02 am

I'd have Stocker in for Williams and Young from what I have seen panics when under pressure with his disposal. He couldn't maintain his place in the Dogs backline after starring vs us in his 1st game and it's not like they are KP Defender rich.
I don't mind Young as a developing player but to me he isn't the finished product who I would trust vs anyone decent.
Williams gets a bit of ball as a rebounder but I'm not sold on him as defender and prefer going with Stocker when fit as imho he offers more as a close checking defender.

I agree re young but can’t see Williams being dropped imo. I would like to see him get a long settled run of games as a running HBF which is where he was proven as one of the comps elite in that role. This guy in that position is damaging and clean just think his fitness and being played out of position has delayed him being able to show how good he can be.

I would be persisting in him and think the club has invested too much in him to drop him unless his form leaves them with no option which IMHO it is far from that stage at the moment.

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Reply #68 – March 31, 2022, 09:33:40 am

So would I EB.

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Reply #69 – March 31, 2022, 10:09:37 am

Quote from: shawny on March 31, 2022, 09:24:59 am

I agree re young but can’t see Williams being dropped imo. I would like to see him get a long settled run of games as a running HBF which is where he was proven as one of the comps elite in that role. This guy in that position is damaging and clean just think his fitness and being played out of position has delayed him being able to show how good he can be.

I would be persisting in him and think the club has invested too much in him to drop him unless his form leaves them with no option which IMHO it is far from that stage at the moment.

You have Saad, Docherty and Newman all doing that rebounding defender role Imho, only Saad provides a player who can both defend his man and attack.
I just think we have one too many rebounder only types. For me Stocker is a more multi attributed player who also gives us a bit of grunt which you need vs certain players.
Williams I would use off the bench...

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Reply #70 – March 31, 2022, 12:26:53 pm

Funny how we were calling for Stocker to play more midfield in the last couple of years.....but now with Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Kennedy & Hewett as the main blokes, it's hard to see how Stocker gets a crack in the middle unless there's injuries or if it's just for short bursts.

I think his best role now is down back as a lock down small defender.....he's got some mongrel about him but can also run and carry a bit too. It might come down to horses for courses and a decision between him, Newman and Plowman.

Williams hasn't been outstanding in the first two weeks but IMO has played his role.....not trying to be a midfielder. He could possibly play off a wing at times?

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Reply #71 – March 31, 2022, 12:44:09 pm

Nothing wrong with a surfeit of players competing like junkyard dogs for positions.

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Reply #72 – March 31, 2022, 01:14:20 pm

Agree Cap....healthiest we've been for awhile now. It'll mean guys like Newnes will have to fight hard to get a game....similarly Dow, Cottrell etc.

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Reply #73 – March 31, 2022, 01:55:23 pm

For those going it is a send off for Betts and sMurph this weekend.

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Reply #74 – March 31, 2022, 02:46:21 pm

Wingard has passed a fitness test and will play. I always thought with hamstrings that when you thought you were fine, you needed to wait one more week, or it could get ugly part-way through the match.