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Reply #45 –
Quote from: Mav – on
I love the way you said you'd give LP the last word only to get in the last word yourself and then close the discussion ;D
Even more bizarre, the use of the "we" in that discussion to mean "the world / everybody", and not just the "US"!

But that is how the US media report, and as a result how social media dominates discussion, the "we" is always "everybody"!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #46 –
https://au.yahoo.com/news/leaked-document-shows-chinas-plans-in-solomon-islands-225546575.html

Ok , we cut aid to the Solomon Islands and we put that money into a missile base on the east coast and get cracking on building those nuclear subs too. They can play with their chinese mates and have joy rides to China on their new airstrip for all I care but dont come crying to us when CoVid hits again or a Tsunami takes out your infrastructure and you want our help.

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Reply #47 –
Cancel all foreign aid to them and give them notice we're closing our embassy.  Then watch them sweat

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Reply #48 –
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Cancel all foreign aid to them and give them notice we're closing our embassy.  Then watch them sweat

Playing right into the CCP’s hands  ::)

The fact that the US didn’t re-open its Solomon Islands embassy is a factor in the CCP gaining a foothold in our backyard. Hopefully, a new US embassy and Scotty keeping his mouth shut will reverse the CCP’s gains.

And we wouldn’t get much of a missile base for the paltry amount of aid we give the Solomons … not that a missile base would present much of a threat.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #49 –
Over $240 million p.a. is not paltry .... stuff them.  Ingrates

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Reply #50 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Playing right into the CCP’s hands  ::)

The fact that the US didn’t re-open its Solomon Islands embassy is a factor in the CCP gaining a foothold in our backyard. Hopefully, a new US embassy and Scotty keeping his mouth shut will reverse the CCP’s gains.

And we wouldn’t get much of a missile base for the paltry amount of aid we give the Solomons … not that a missile base would present much of a threat.
We cant compete with the handouts or the build China will offer in terms of infrastructure, the Chinese Renminbi has bought the Solomon islands off and thats the bottom line. Doesnt matter if it was the LP or ALP they were never going to fork out what the Chinese were offering in money and toys. The only hope was the USA showing some interest and its clear they have given up and conceded the Solomons to China and dont give a flying feck about their mates down under which doesnt bode well for Taiwan's future. Sogavare has looked after his own future and is just a puppet of China now and has sold out his people, good luck trying to vote him out next election thats if they ever have one.

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Reply #51 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
We cant compete with the handouts or the build China will offer in terms of infrastructure, the Chinese Renminbi has bought the Solomon islands off and thats the bottom line. Doesnt matter if it was the LP or ALP they were never going to fork out what the Chinese were offering in money and toys. The only hope was the USA showing some interest and its clear they have given up and conceded the Solomons to China and dont give a flying feck about their mates down under which doesnt bode well for Taiwan's future. Sogavare has looked after his own future and is just a puppet of China now and has sold out his people, good luck trying to vote him out next election thats if they ever have one.
Getting infrastructure off China is like buying all your stuff at Venture, it's cheap plastic filled crap that'll crumble and turn to rubbish before it's a decade old!
 
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #52 –
Quote from: LP – on
Getting infrastructure off China is like buying all your stuff at Venture, it's cheap plastic filled crap that'll crumble and turn to rubbish before it's a decade old!
 
Yep its like compounded chocolate vs the real stuff, problem is the kids will eat the compounded if its free....
 

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Reply #53 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Yep its like compounded chocolate vs the real stuff, problem is the kids will eat the compounded if its free....
China will build bridges, freeways and roads in Solomons that won't have any road base, it will look great when new but all the crap shortcuts are hidden under the surface for nobody to see.

Just like Shanghai or Beijing where new bridges or roads barely last a decade before being rebuilt.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #54 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Over $240 million p.a. is not paltry .... stuff them.  Ingrates

$156M in the 2021-22 budget, down from $179M in 2014-15. 

I think that we're now at $265M in aid to Ukraine in 10 weeks, and that's money well spent.  Ukraine's not in our backyard though.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #55 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
We cant compete with the handouts or the build China will offer in terms of infrastructure, the Chinese Renminbi has bought the Solomon islands off and thats the bottom line. Doesnt matter if it was the LP or ALP they were never going to fork out what the Chinese were offering in money and toys. The only hope was the USA showing some interest and its clear they have given up and conceded the Solomons to China and dont give a flying feck about their mates down under which doesnt bode well for Taiwan's future. Sogavare has looked after his own future and is just a puppet of China now and has sold out his people, good luck trying to vote him out next election thats if they ever have one.

In fact, according to the Lowy Institute, China's aid to Pacific nations is dwarfed by Australia's.  However, we have significantly reduced our aid to the Solomon Islands and the CCP has stepped in to fill the gap.

The US has announced that it will be re-opening its embassy in the Solomons after a 29 year absence.  I suspect that they realised that the "deputy" isn't up to the job.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #56 –
The USA announced they were sending a delegation over about a day before Sogavare and his Chinese friends announced they were buddies for life, great timing...not. In fact this started back in 2019 when Sogavare was visiting China and cooking up this whole scheme. His people were rioting back home and wanted him out especially when he cut ties with Taiwan( well there is a surprise, wonder who told him to do that?) so its not like ScoMo and USA didnt know what was coming but did nothing about it.
We are not talking matching aid etc they are building roads, airports, have their grubby hands over the retail industry, resource extraction and have even promised a big Sports Stadium. He wants China to shore up his political and personal future and has sold out the Solomons  as payment.
The USA embassy will have a nice view of those shiny J-20's  taking off from that new airstrip..

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Reply #57 –
The CCP will get their pound of flesh and then some ... Sogavare will pay dearly for his treachery

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Reply #58 –
I've copied this from the China thread:

Quote from: LP – on
As for the anti-nuclear sub protestors, I've no interest in the anti-nuclear parrots. In any case, the tell that the deal was done happened straight after the election, when labour announced the purchase of missiles that are useless when housed on a conventional platform. If the platform cannot loiter indefinitely the missiles are worthless, so it's a huge tell the deal will proceed.

The ADF has selected the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS)  as its long-range, rocket artillery system.  This was initially proposed in the 2016 White Paper and was confirmed by the 2020 Defence Strategic Update and Force Structure Plan.  Essentially a commitment of the previous Government but Labor has undertaken to honor defence procurement commitments (as well as adding its own).

HIMARS is a light multiple rocket launcher developed in the late 1990s for the United States Army, mounted on a standard Army M1140 truck frame.  As the name suggests, it is a highly mobile system that is able to "shoot and scoot", thereby evading counter battery fire.  In addition to a range of warheads, HIMARS is capable of firing the Precision Strike Missile (PrSM). Australia has an MoU  with the US for the development of the PrSM weapon.

HIMARS is a state of the art weapon system that will address a serious gap in our defence capability.  It is perfectly suited to our conditions and will integrate seamlessly with current and future defence materiel.

HIMARS, and the older MRLS, are tipped to give Ukraine an edge in its artillery duels with Russian forces.  Russian missile launchers have a shorter range and lack the mobility of the US and UK missile systems.

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-the-us-and-uk-missile-systems-which-will-challenge-russias-artillery-dominance-184479

Poland has just ordered 500 HIMARS.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins

Reply #59 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I've copied this from the China thread:

The ADF has selected the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS)  as its long-range, rocket artillery system.  This was initially proposed in the 2016 White Paper and was confirmed by the 2020 Defence Strategic Update and Force Structure Plan.  Essentially a commitment of the previous Government but Labor has undertaken to honor defence procurement commitments (as well as adding its own).

HIMARS is a light multiple rocket launcher developed in the late 1990s for the United States Army, mounted on a standard Army M1140 truck frame.  As the name suggests, it is a highly mobile system that is able to "shoot and scoot", thereby evading counter battery fire.  In addition to a range of warheads, HIMARS is capable of firing the Precision Strike Missile (PrSM). Australia has an MoU  with the US for the development of the PrSM weapon.

HIMARS is a state of the art weapon system that will address a serious gap in our defence capability.  It is perfectly suited to our conditions and will integrate seamlessly with current and future defence materiel.

HIMARS, and the older MRLS, are tipped to give Ukraine an edge in its artillery duels with Russian forces.  Russian missile launchers have a shorter range and lack the mobility of the US and UK missile systems.

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-the-us-and-uk-missile-systems-which-will-challenge-russias-artillery-dominance-184479

Poland has just ordered 500 HIMARS.
Russian nukes have good mobility, their Sarmat 2's are very mobile and if Vlad is out gunned with the conventional weaponry he will up the stakes imo...