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At the 2022 Federal Election which party will receive your first preference?

LNP
[ 7 ] (26.9%)
ALP
[ 8 ] (30.8%)
Greens
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
United Australia Party
[ 3 ] (11.5%)
Other
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
None of the Above
[ 4 ] (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 26

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Reply #120 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
We always find a way to get involved.  We sent troops to Afghanistan

Different scenario then given our US alliance, and we're not a NATO member mate.  

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Reply #121 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Not sure if you've noticed but we don't have the freedoms we used to already.

Freedoms we used to have!

Let's see, back in 1972 I could:
> not buy an alcoholic drink after 10pm,
> not buy an alcoholic drink on Sunday, unless I was a bona fide traveller,
> not use a firearm on a Sunday,
> not buy a high-powered firearm without a special licence,
> be called up for two years military service,
> be sent to fight in a foreign war,
> not vote in State or Federal elections,
> be arrested for consorting,
> be imprisoned if was openly homosexual, and
> if I lived in Queensland, not take part in a demonstration.

If I happened to be a woman, I could:
> not get the contraceptive pill unless I was married,
> not legally have an abortion,
> not have the same superannuation as male colleagues,
> not work in public service roles that were limited to men,
> not leave the country without my husband's permission, and
> not keep my job if I became pregnant.

If I happened to be Indigenous, I could:
> serve my country but not receive any ex-service benefits,
> have my children taken away at the whim of the police and welfare officers, and
> be subject to the directions of the Aborigines Welfare Board.

Yes, we've certainly lost a lot of freedoms over the last 50 years  ::)




It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #122 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Freedoms we used to have!

Let's see, back in 1972 I could:
> not buy an alcoholic drink after 10pm,
> not buy an alcoholic drink on Sunday, unless I was a bona fide traveller,
> not use a firearm on a Sunday,
> not buy a high-powered firearm without a special licence,
> be called up for two years military service,
> be sent to fight in a foreign war,
> not vote in State or Federal elections,
> be arrested for consorting,
> be imprisoned if was openly homosexual, and
> if I lived in Queensland, not take part in a demonstration.

If I happened to be a woman, I could:
> not get the contraceptive pill unless I was married,
> not legally have an abortion,
> not have the same superannuation as male colleagues,
> not work in public service roles that were limited to men,
> not leave the country without my husband's permission, and
> not keep my job if I became pregnant.

If I happened to be Indigenous, I could:
> serve my country but not receive any ex-service benefits,
> have my children taken away at the whim of the police and welfare officers, and
> be subject to the directions of the Aborigines Welfare Board.

Yes, we've certainly lost a lot of freedoms over the last 50 years  ::)






Im only 40.  Perhaps you shouldnt be dismissive sighting a bunch of crap that mostly occurred before I was born.

Ill remind you at this stage, that people my age are more than likely not going to retire but work until we cark it, and you can forget about a pension and the average house price in most of the melbourne suburbs that will leave you with an average CBD commute of roughly 1 hour in each direction will cost us 1 million dollars today.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #123 –
Hey,  I had family members die in wars for some o that stuff, I'd be more circumspect before disparaging societal gains.

BTW,  we're all going to work until we cark it,  "freedom", especially financial, is a construct, dangled like a carrot for all us wage slaves.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #124 –
Governments don't want to pay for your retirement, pensions won't exist for Joe average workers in years to come as they will want you living off your superannuation. If you don't want to work for ever you start planning for retirement when you are 25 ..not taking an interest when you are 55. No one cares about your future except you and your family, educate you yourself on superannuation, the stock market and don't rely on the government, financial advisors and the like.
Peoples idea of the aged pension as a goal in life is old school thinking and I'm glad my old man told me to sacrifice when you are young so you do not have to beg when you are older and this is from a bloke who lived in the great depression, ate bread and dripping, fought in WW2 and got chucked out of home when he was 17. He retired at 57 with no pension...

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Reply #125 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Im only 40.  Perhaps you shouldnt be dismissive sighting a bunch of crap that mostly occurred before I was born.

Ill remind you at this stage, that people my age are more than likely not going to retire but work until we cark it, and you can forget about a pension and the average house price in most of the melbourne suburbs that will leave you with an average CBD commute of roughly 1 hour in each direction will cost us 1 million dollars today.

The funny thing is that at 40 I felt pretty much the same as you're feeling.
The end looked very far away and the financial concerns were such that working until I was done and dusted seemed a possible outcome.
But things worked out.

The next twenty years or so may give you a different perspective.
There will be changes to the way we do things that will ensure that.

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Reply #126 –
The single most depressing aspect is many people simply don't  understand super.  And they damn well should.  No-one wants to live within their means anymore and do the hard stuff first. 

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Reply #127 –
Quote from: capcom – on
The single most depressing aspect is many people don't simply understand super.  And they damn well should.  No-one wants to simply live within their means anymore and do the hard stuff first.
A big problem at the moment is a large portion of younger people aren't doing much of either, no home ownership and no superannuation, they basically rent or live at home with mum and dad, and work in a gig economy without super.

The internet has made the current youth fatalistic, all the bad shizen gets 1000% of the noise it actually deserves by volume, and the good everyday stuff is pretty much invisible, it's a massive problem coming down the track.

It's never been easy for any generation, the idea it was easy or easier in the past is garbage spread by self-absorbed norbits, the only thing we can say definitely is that things change so the past was different to the present.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #128 –
Quote from: LP – on
A big problem at the moment is a large portion of younger people aren't doing much of either, no home ownership and no superannuation, they basically rent or live at home with mum and dad, and work in a gig economy without super.

The internet has made the current youth fatalistic, all the bad shizen gets 1000% of the noise it actually deserves by volume, and the good everyday stuff is pretty much invisible, it's a massive problem coming down the track.

It's never been easy for any generation, the idea it was easy or easier in the past is garbage spread by self-absorbed norbits, the only thing we can say definitely is that things change so the past was different to the present.
Agree, every generation has their challenges with how to deal with life's problems and there is no manual to guide you but your own inquisitive brain.
The answers are not all on the internet which stumps a lot of youth today who look there as their first source of information and believe most things they read. Self reliance is part of life but a lot of kids who stay at home much later than the norm with mum and dad don't want the responsibility of looking after themselves because having a good time and leaving the boring stuff to mum and dad has become a lifestyle for some of them.
Getting a degree and a job doesn't mean job done in life and that you can chill out at home and stop learning about how to to take care of yourself in the big bad world.

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Reply #129 –
Becoming knowledgeable about the true way of the world and how it functions is the most important first step in anyone's education and development imho.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #130 –
All of which makes Labor's idea of investing a percentage into first home ownership for a paltry few all the more preposterous ... when people were paying 19% interest on (what were then) still modest homes, it was one helluva shock, but nothing like what awaits.

The greatest joy I had was paying it off and getting that certificate of title before I turned 37.   

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Reply #131 –
Quote from: capcom – on
All of which makes Labor's idea of investing a percentage into first home ownership for a paltry few all the more preposterous ... when people were paying 19% interest on (what were then) still modest homes, it was one helluva shock, but nothing like what awaits.

The greatest joy I had was paying it off and getting that certificate of title before I turned 37.   
Paying it off?

Paying off a home.  Wonder how Ill use my second million...

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #132 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Im only 40.  Perhaps you shouldnt be dismissive sighting a bunch of crap that mostly occurred before I was born.

Ill remind you at this stage, that people my age are more than likely not going to retire but work until we cark it, and you can forget about a pension and the average house price in most of the melbourne suburbs that will leave you with an average CBD commute of roughly 1 hour in each direction will cost us 1 million dollars today.

The point is that freedoms you take for granted weren’t available to me when I was 20.

It’s also worth noting that folk today are free from TB, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, etc; all diseases that family and friends had and some of which I had.

It’s unfortunate that time travel is fictional; folk who think they’re hard done by today wouldn’t survive if they were transported back to the mid-20th century.

My children are around your age Thry.  My daughter has substantial equity in her home and she and her husband have excellent superannuation.  My son and his wife have just bought a house about 20km north of the CBD.  They already own two apartments and are both salaried workers.  They are all very angry with our Commonwealth government for its failure to address social, economic and environmental issues but acknowledge that their lives are much easier than that of their parents and grandparents.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #133 –
Okay boomer.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #134 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Paying it off?

Paying off a home.  Wonder how Ill use my second million...



The second million is easier than the first I’m told, so I’m giving up on the first million…

I got divorced in 2009, I had my work van and tools, a boat (not going… and a car to tow it)
It took me 10 years to be able to buy land again.
I don’t have a house, I live in a caravan in my (Uncoded) shed.
I’m not bragging, but we all make choices, I’ve made some stinkers but had a bit of fun along the way.
If home ownership is something you want, you can have it if you do what you need to… sacrifice, better choices and sometimes luck.
Let’s go BIG !