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Re: China

Reply #105 –
The Chinese have waged a war for generations already.  You don't have to look far to see how successful their invasion has been.
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Paul Hewson

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Reply #106 –
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-largest-destroyer-most-powerful-055-lhasa-renhai-nanchang-zumwalt-2022-6

Several military experts told the Global Times, a Chinese state media outlet, that the destroyer's role was to deter foreign intervention in case China conducted a military attack on Taiwan.
Seems a well equipped vessel and to me there is no doubt everything the Chinese are building military wise has a theme to it and the end result has Taiwan on the right hand side of the equals sign.

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Reply #107 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-largest-destroyer-most-powerful-055-lhasa-renhai-nanchang-zumwalt-2022-6

Several military experts told the Global Times, a Chinese state media outlet, that the destroyer's role was to deter foreign intervention in case China conducted a military attack on Taiwan.
Seems a well equipped vessel and to me there is no doubt everything the Chinese are building military wise has a theme to it and the end result has Taiwan on the right hand side of the equals sign.
Penny Wong will sort it
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Reply #108 –
This is a very good, recent appraisal of the military threat China poses to Australia:

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/australia-and-growing-reach-china-s-military

Another important factor is that, apart from oppressing its own citizens, China's military hasn't been involved in a shooting war since the middle of last century.
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Reply #109 –
Quote from: DJC – on
This is a very good, recent appraisal of the military threat China poses to Australia:

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/australia-and-growing-reach-china-s-military

Another important factor is that, apart from oppressing its own citizens, China's military hasn't been involved in a shooting war since the middle of last century.
Good article, however China seem on course to fulfill most of those objectives and Taiwan is the big domino that if it falls opens up the Pacific and us to more intimidation especially economically.
China and India recently exchanged pleasantries on the border and from memory 20 odd Indian troops or police were killed so while they haven't been in battle with anyone they don't mind skirmishes and are just looking for an excuse to escalate and test boundaries.
They are an expansionist nation who need to be stopped before they take Taiwan.
Imho that article didn't say anything to convince me that China won't be owning Taiwan sooner than later and that the USA are a sure thing to intervene.

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Reply #110 –
Russia has become China’s biggest oil supplier as the two super powers forge an alliance of convenience against the West.

China has now emerged as the leading financier of Kremlin’s war on Ukraine, buying Russia’s heavily discounted oil reserves that combined with India, is seeing 2.4 million barrels of Russian crude a day being sold.

But NATO leaders and diplomats and other world leaders including Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese meeting in Madridon Tuesday fear the Chinese indirect funding of the conflict is part of a broader security threat that includes the Indo-Pacific region.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #111 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Russia has become China’s biggest oil supplier as the two super powers forge an alliance of convenience against the West.

China has now emerged as the leading financier of Kremlin’s war on Ukraine, buying Russia’s heavily discounted oil reserves that combined with India, is seeing 2.4 million barrels of Russian crude a day being sold.

But NATO leaders and diplomats and other world leaders including Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese meeting in Madridon Tuesday fear the Chinese indirect funding of the conflict is part of a broader security threat that includes the Indo-Pacific region.
Send in the Wongster, she'll sort it.
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Reply #112 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Russia has become China’s biggest oil supplier as the two super powers forge an alliance of convenience against the West.

China has now emerged as the leading financier of Kremlin’s war on Ukraine, buying Russia’s heavily discounted oil reserves that combined with India, is seeing 2.4 million barrels of Russian crude a day being sold.

But NATO leaders and diplomats and other world leaders including Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese meeting in Madridon Tuesday fear the Chinese indirect funding of the conflict is part of a broader security threat that includes the Indo-Pacific region.

China want Taiwan.  Russia and Ukraine is exactly the right foil for them.

This video explains it better than I can.

https://youtu.be/p6sCsOdqXQw

What will the world do if China elects to March on Taiwan??
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Paul Hewson

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Reply #113 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
China want Taiwan.  Russia and Ukraine is exactly the right foil for them.

This video explains it better than I can.

https://youtu.be/p6sCsOdqXQw

What will the world do if China elects to March on Taiwan??
Its not if, its when
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Reply #115 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Send in the Wongster, she'll sort it.
She will need a gun, Russia now own the Donbas region bar one small stronghold and are moving in on that too....they are just sat back long range artillery and missile shelling now and raising everything to the ground.
The Ukranians have been brave but the Russian tactics have changed and the Chinese will keep the Russia artillery in supply being the scumbags they are. Those latest tactics where they fired on Kyiv civilian targets was another war crime designed to attack the psyche of the Ukranian people, seeing children trapped screaming in rubble must be hard for Zelensky to watch knowing Nato and the West wont be bailing them out and I hear his fighting words that they will take the Dombas back but I fear its too late and thats Russian territory now for good.
Putin is also providing his lacky boy mate the leader of Belarus with a missile system as well, defensive he calls it but it has nuclear capabilities and will be used to attack Ukraine from the Belarus border and probably attack NATO supplies from Poland once they cross the Ukraine border.

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Reply #117 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
China want Taiwan.  Russia and Ukraine is exactly the right foil for them.

This video explains it better than I can.

https://youtu.be/p6sCsOdqXQw

What will the world do if China elects to March on Taiwan??
Quote from: Mav – on
Laugh when they drown is my guess.
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2021/6/25/china-building-formidable-amphibious-fleet
They will probably have a comfortable trip over and be able to find a nice hotel for the night when the USA and others leave the Taiwanese to surrender and Taiwan becomes the latest PLA outpost....

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Reply #118 –
China continue to sign agreements with
small Pacific nations and now have the Cook Islands on the payroll. New Zealand who have tried to play Switzerland in the Pacific now have Xi on their doorstep with China building infrastructure for Shipping and Transport for the Cook Islands which is shorthand for a place to park and refuel Chinese Naval vessels and conduct surveillance work.
NZ need to figure out what side of the fence they want to jump on and be part of the AUKUS agreement or get used to Chinese Warships being part of the scenery in the Tasman.

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Reply #119 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
NZ need to figure out what side of the fence they want to jump on and be part of the AUKUS agreement or get used to Chinese Warships being part of the scenery in the Tasman.
NZ is already part of Five Eyes though, but it's staunch anti-nuclear stance is hurting it a bit. I doubt NZ can depend on Trump any more than Australia can, so they best be looking at local capabilities.

AUKUS is fine, the capability the submarines bring to patrol and defend our massive border is significant, it should have happened decades ago!

The biggest problem we have with China building infrastructure in the Sth Pacific is that it collects the one thing it can't reliably collect by remote surveillance, economic data. Get the accurate trade and economic data and it delivers levers to pull.

FWIW, our Feds should never have allowed Dan to sign over the ports, the Feds should have funded a port upgrade way before any rail or road deals, but the NSW dominated parliament was asleep at the wheel much like when it allowed Chinese companies to build private big Jet capable airstrips in WA.
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