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Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Lods, there's no doubt TDK will be able to rack up more possessions around the ground than the traditional big unit. That's true also of Jack. But the problem is that we're currently a clearance driven side. We need a ruckman who is able to either tap the ball to Cripps or at least stop the other ruck from punching the ball outside the contest. Then our mids can go to work and win the clearance.

The more mobile ruckman who can rack up possessions around the ground is of more use to a side which bases its game more on turning the ball over and then slingshotting out of defence.

St Kilda lost its ruckmen against GWS leaving them exposed to a very big unit in Preuss. Their fill-in did rack up possessions too but the key to their win was that Ratts closed down the game, congesting the ball-ups to ensure Preuss couldn't clear the ball. It was ugly to watch but was effective on this occasion. But it would be a mistake to read such games as showing that the big units can be taken down by a midfielder opposing them in the ruck.

Absolutely, That's why I said it was as a 'second' ruck he's tracking OK.
I think he'll be an upgrade on a player like Levi

However the situation that faces us at present is that Pittonet will be a big loss...and unfortunately Mirkov isn't ready yet.
So in the meantime term it will fall on DeKoning.

Now the worry here is that there is a danger that players like DeKoning, Silvagni...even Young will be up against bigger units and the risk of injury is probably high.
We have a problem...mid-season draft perhaps, as a short term insurance.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #46 –
Regards to Harry’s shoulder… he’s got that big very red, very recent looking scar on his right(?) shoulder just on the guernsey line ?
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #47 –
Quote from: Mav – on
I'm also not sure the more even pacing we displayed through the game was evidence of increasing fitness. I suspect we went into the game with the mentality of a boxer who is wary of his opponent's ability to counter-punch; we tried to get into clinches with Freo. Rather than the helter-skelter attack that allowed us to open up big early leads against the Hawks and others, we tried to go down the line and limit Freo's ability to get some width. That produced more subdued scoring and also reduced the amount of flat out sprinting.

Given our recent performances...

I'm wondering whether the plan might have been along the lines of....
" Last week Freo had a great third quarter we had a poor second half.
They may go in expecting a similar game.
Let's take a measured approach to the first half and hit them hard in the third quarter."

The intention would have been to focus the players on what has been the danger period for us.
The problem was, we had a poor second quarter and when the effort was needed in the third we just didn't have the ammunition

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Absolutely, That's why I said it was as a 'second' ruck he's tracking OK.
I think he'll be an upgrade on a player like Levi

However the situation that faces us at present is that Pittonet will be a big loss...and unfortunately Mirkov isn't ready yet.
So in the meantime term it will fall on DeKoning.

Now the worry here is that there is a danger that players like DeKoning, Silvagni...even Young will be up against bigger units and the risk of injury is probably high.
We have a problem...mid-season draft perhaps, as a short term insurance.

The way Darcy hit Pitt was bone crunching even from a short run up. Buckley commented on it in the post game show, saying that it was a "skill" that had been perfected and refined over recent years.  It makes Ruck a very tough gig for skinny young ruckmen.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Absolutely, That's why I said it was as a 'second' ruck he's tracking OK.
I think he'll be an upgrade on a player like Levi
Agreed. TDK is currently a forward/2nd ruck, so it isn't fair to expect him to give us what Pitt gives us. He was certainly the next best man for the job and it was good he was playing.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #50 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
The way Darcy hit Pitt was bone crunching even from a short run up. Buckley commented on it in the post game show, saying that it was a "skill" that had been perfected and refined over recent years.  It makes Ruck a very tough gig for skinny young ruckmen.
And if you don't put up your knee, you take a knee to the chest or stomach. That's the very definition of a dilemma.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #51 –
My two cents.  A lot of people lining up Setterfield a bit unfairly.  Blokes only crime is not being express and being a but wasteful with ball in hand.  Competes well enough and is a clean possession getter.  Decision making seems his weak point.  Lacking confidence will do that to a bloke and I think you can thank Teague for that.

Owies was ok too.  Did some good things but was often where the ball wasn't which caused grief.  Gave that one free away for a block, but really that was his only sin.

Parks.  A competitor but with one problem.  He has no idea.  At one point I saw him contest a ground ball three times with freo surging it forward on the deck and instead of trying to surge it back, he was trying to get down and dirty losing his feet.  Plus repeat contests.   Minus smart thinking because he wasn't keeping the ball away from dangerous areas.

Fisher.  Terrible.  Ive not see him play so poorly across his career to date.   Not sure whats going on, but here is an example of a player going backwards.  Gone is the zippy ball magnet, who used it cleanly and now we have a bona-fide witches hat.

Cottrell.  Another hacker who did ok at times and was just absent at others.

Boyd.  Once again, guilty of not knowing his limitations in the contest.  Used it well, but he is being beaten and is too much of a weak link to play.  I think he was a docherty cover as a desperate attempt because its inexplicable that he is on the list let alone getting a game.

Newnes, wasn't as bad as some make out.  He's only sin is he's a vanilla player who isn't a game winner. 

Ive seen lots of posters potting these players, but 10 mins to go we were about 20 points down and in with a sniff of winning despite being what I would call rubbish for most of the game.  Thats largely thanks to Robin hood (cripps) and his merry men in the middle (walsh, cerra, hewett), but we were down but not out and the effort was there which is all we can really ask for.

These guys are stop gaps.  Im looking at the blokes who have more ability but need to take these guys out of the team because they are the ones who are letting us down.  These guys are too, but not through lack of effort.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #52 –
The game was even before Pitt went down.
It became even again when Darcy went off.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #53 –
Give Motlop a go ... for heaven's sake !!!!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #54 –
He couldn't be any worse than Fisher the witches hat...can't stick a tackle, not getting to the fall of the ball and gets knocked over too easily.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #55 –
It's clear our weakness lies in the last 6-8 of the 22 we pick - good teams have respectable soldiers in those roles.  I think it's time we rolled the dice and started giving Carroll and Motlop a shot.  And get Stocker and Kemp into the backline.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #56 –
Setterfields main problem for me is his intermittent attack on the ball, he isnt hard enough to be a frontline mid and has been pushed out to a wing where its less contested. Problem is wingers need a bit of toe and need to be able to use the ball well, I'd rather be experimenting with a true winger like Carroll or LOB on the wing as they are better users of the ball and give you that run and carry.
Fisher...dont care what anyone says but he gets a bit of slack cut his way because he is Cripps mate IMHO, he is a good footballer but needs some VFL footy to get some urgency in his game. Looked half a yard behind the flow of play and Freo being a quicker team really exposed him.
I'd be happy to rotate Owies, Durdin, Fisher and Motlop and find the best combo....
Agree with Tonyo on Stocker and Kemp, I think they are more true defenders who can play also in an attacking manner when required. Freo have some smart small forwards and our attack only defenders got caught out not manning up...Schultz, Walters etc should not be getting uncontested possessions and marks.
Time for a rethink on Williams, Docherty, Saad, Newman all playing loose down back.......I'd rather we train up Stocker and Kemp and lose Williams and Newman from defense, maybe Williams can play off the bench but we have to get more defensive minded and help Weitering out who is holding the fort down back. Young has been reasonable and l like what he offers with his flexibility to do a few roles.
We are also one ruckman short on the list IMO...having only a junior apprentice in Mirkov as backup has left us exposed and Young is needed down back, time to get a journeyman type like a Ceglar, Ryder, Sinclair etc who can fill in when needed and also help train Mirkov in the twos.
TDK is a great talent but is always going to struggle vs the bigger bodied types like Darcy and having a readymade who can come in and bang bodies with Darcy types will make it easier for TDK who is suited to part time rucking and also spending time forward.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #57 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Teams have worked out that we depend on getting centre clearances to score.
We'll get over it, but we have plan B. We need to develop one and quickly.

We now play North, who play well against us, without the man that wins us games (Pittonet). We'll probably have to play Mirkov, no matter how raw he is, because Tom de Koning is not enough, no matter how he tries.

Hopefully, Pittonet isn't too badly hurt, because he is the missing link when we fail.

Crash, I don't think Mirkov is ready. Has good athleticism for a tall guy, however ATM he is mainly a tap ruckman who will struggle against a bigger more experienced ruckman, such as the ones he will come up against on Saturday if he gets a call up.

He had a good last quarter against Weribee yesterday and did get his fair share of tap outs, however was beaten at times at the center bounce a few times by a smaller less experienced ruckman.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #58 –
We need a big dude to ruck which releases Dekoning up forward which creates a massive headache for the opposition.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #59 –
That’s all well and good about Mirkov not being ready, but do we really want to be rucking Setterfield again ?
Let’s go BIG !