Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #45 – May 06, 2022, 01:15:33 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 06, 2022, 11:29:41 amI'm basing it on what my eyes see and have seen for 45 odd years watching football. Couldnt give a flying F#$% where they play, green grass, white lines on the ground with four sticks at either end, hostile supporters, same as every ground. IMO he isn't AFL standard or at least the AFL standard we require.Almost 70% of the negative stats you seem to identify came in a handful of minutes in one game out of the only three AFL games he has ever played, and you've written him off!I'm sorry GTC, but I'm glad you aren't in charge of our list, if you were player development would be non-existent! Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #46 – May 06, 2022, 01:48:52 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 06, 2022, 11:29:41 amI'm basing it on what my eyes see and have seen for 45 odd years watching football. Couldnt give a flying F#$% where they play, green grass, white lines on the ground with four sticks at either end, hostile supporters, same as every ground. IMO he isn't AFL standard or at least the AFL standard we require.Agree, I'd question why we went another small poor man's Caleb Daniel defender when we have that position covered.The fact he isn't very good just mystifies the decision even more. Turnover merchant by foot, average decision maker and a loose defender. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #47 – May 06, 2022, 04:23:32 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on May 06, 2022, 11:45:51 amI tend to agree with GI2C.Cant understand why he gets a game. Freo was an improvement on his previous match, but not by a lot. I would argue, we gain more by playing others in his role. Agree, he should be a last resort in defence and whilst I understand they play difference positions, not ahead of the likes of Dow, Motlop, Carroll et al. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #48 – May 06, 2022, 06:14:07 pm Only one change. ZW in for the injured Stocks.Cottrell, Boyd, Dow and Motlop the emergencies. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #49 – May 06, 2022, 06:59:39 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 06, 2022, 11:29:41 amI'm basing it on what my eyes see and have seen for 45 odd years watching football. Couldnt give a flying F#$% where they play, green grass, white lines on the ground with four sticks at either end, hostile supporters, same as every ground. IMO he isn't AFL standard or at least the AFL standard we require.I only needed 1 match, and a practice match at that to come to the same conclusion. People thought i was being too harsh off the back of a praccy match, but when you've got it, you've got it...and when you don't its even more obvious. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #50 – May 06, 2022, 07:41:51 pm Boyd is a newbie, there were many on here saying as much about Weitering in his first season, and some even in the 2nd.Jones was written of by most fans as a deadset waste of time and money, for how many seasons, and now he's dearly missed.sMurph never stopped being sledged by many Carlton fans as soft and each week was going to be his last, how many games?Betts was rubbished early, much the same as Boyd, left as a traitor and returned as a messiah.LoB rubbish, always was always will be apparently, now it seems things seem to have changed.Plowman has been a spud from day one onwards to eternity.I'll reserve judgement of players beyond the 3 game limit! Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #51 – May 06, 2022, 08:15:38 pm Backs: Zac Williams Jacob Weitering Nic NewmanHalf-backs: Adam Saad Lewis Young Sam DochertyCentreline: Jack Carroll Patrick Cripps Lochie O'BrienHalf-forwards: Zac Fisher Charlie Curnow Jack MartinForwards: Matthew Owies Harry McKay Corey DurdinFollowers: Tom De Koning Sam Walsh Adam CerraInterchange: Matthew Kennedy Jack Newnes Lachie Plowman Jack SilvagniEmergencies: Jordan Boyd Matthew Cottrell Paddy Dow Jesse Motlop Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #52 – May 06, 2022, 09:10:40 pm Quote from: LP – on May 06, 2022, 07:41:51 pmBoyd is a newbie, there were many on here saying as much about Weitering in his first season, and some even in the 2nd.Jones was written of by most fans as a deadset waste of time and money, for how many seasons, and now he's dearly missed.sMurph never stopped being sledged by many Carlton fans as soft and each week was going to be his last, how many games?Betts was rubbished early, much the same as Boyd, left as a traitor and returned as a messiah.LoB rubbish, always was always will be apparently, now it seems things seem to have changed.Plowman has been a spud from day one onwards to eternity.I'll reserve judgement of players beyond the 3 game limit!Multiple premierships there hey? Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #53 – May 06, 2022, 10:29:33 pm Quote from: LP – on May 06, 2022, 07:41:51 pmBoyd is a newbie, there were many on here saying as much about Weitering in his first season, and some even in the 2nd.Jones was written of by most fans as a deadset waste of time and money, for how many seasons, and now he's dearly missed.sMurph never stopped being sledged by many Carlton fans as soft and each week was going to be his last, how many games?Betts was rubbished early, much the same as Boyd, left as a traitor and returned as a messiah.LoB rubbish, always was always will be apparently, now it seems things seem to have changed.Plowman has been a spud from day one onwards to eternity.I'll reserve judgement of players beyond the 3 game limit!Boyd was a mid season rookie pick from the Dogs VFL list...Weitering was a highly touted No 1 pick with different expectations.Murphy see Weitering, LOB, and Plowman were all top ten picks so again different expectations and bars to set and reach.Eddie was a good get but I think the messiah label was probably more appropriate at the Crows, when we got him back he was half cooked, winding down and was more valuable as a consul for players like Martin.Why would we recruit Boyd when we had just taken on Saad and Williams and already had Docherty and Stocker as smaller rebounders/ defenders especially when the first three are that rebounding kick winning distributor type in the main like Boyd? Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #54 – May 06, 2022, 10:47:42 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 06, 2022, 10:29:33 pmBoyd was a mid season rookie pick from the Dogs VFL list...Weitering was a highly touted No 1 pick with different expectations.Murphy see Weitering, LOB, and Plowman were all top ten picks so again different expectations and bars to set and reach.Eddie was a good get but I think the messiah label was probably more appropriate at the Crows, when we got him back he was half cooked, winding down and was more valuable as a consul for players like Martin.Why would we recruit Boyd when we had just taken on Saad and Williams and already had Docherty and Stocker as smaller rebounders/ defenders especially when the first three are that rebounding kick winning distributor type in the main like Boyd?My guess is boyd was a docherty cover. Only thing that makes sense is we weren't anticipating docs return.Aside from that I don't see a lot, but im willing to be patient. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #55 – May 06, 2022, 11:15:43 pm Agree but ... attitude. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #56 – May 07, 2022, 09:16:31 am Quote from: LP – on May 06, 2022, 07:41:51 pmBoyd is a newbie, there were many on here saying as much about Weitering in his first season, and some even in the 2nd.Jones was written of by most fans as a deadset waste of time and money, for how many seasons, and now he's dearly missed.sMurph never stopped being sledged by many Carlton fans as soft and each week was going to be his last, how many games?Betts was rubbished early, much the same as Boyd, left as a traitor and returned as a messiah.LoB rubbish, always was always will be apparently, now it seems things seem to have changed.Plowman has been a spud from day one onwards to eternity.I'll reserve judgement of players beyond the 3 game limit!Rewriting a bit of history there mate.Every single player throughout history has had their detractors and naysayers.....but its usually pretty clear why they were picked up and if they can handle it.The players you mentioned above all showed signs at various stages. Some needed a position change, some confidence, some people to put their own bias aside.Boyd is not a kid, he should be further ahead than he is.....and there has been limited improvement in close to a year now.....and in reality he has gone backwards despite being given plenty of 'airtime' to show his wares. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #57 – May 07, 2022, 10:51:31 am Quote from: kruddler – on May 07, 2022, 09:16:31 amBoyd is not a kid, he should be further ahead than he is.....and there has been limited improvement in close to a year now.....and in reality he has gone backwards despite being given plenty of 'airtime' to show his wares.And yet someone like Marchbank plays VFL today!I'm not pro or anti Boyd, but if we pick players up they should be given a reasonable run free of injury to make their mark. Now if I recall Boyd was flying in his first couple of VFL games and got a major injury and was out for a chunk of last season, the game he got injured those of us who watch VFL regularly stated he should have been an AFL in after just a handful of VFL games. I'm not even sure a COVID season counts as a normal opportunity to develop players.Players need a trick to feature in AFL, and Boyd has a boot on him that is significant given good form and a run of uninterrupted development. Whether he turns into a durable AFL option might come down to luck, just like Marchbank.Voss says he likes what he sees about Boyd, he says the same about Marchbank, I've no reason as yet to distrust Voss in fact I back him in because Voss is filling me full of confidence win or lose as each week passes!If Voss has a spot for Boyd then Boyd has a spot, plain and simple. Quote Selected Last Edit: May 07, 2022, 10:53:29 am by LP 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #58 – May 07, 2022, 12:06:58 pm Quote from: LP – on May 07, 2022, 10:51:31 amAnd yet someone like Marchbank plays VFL today!I'm not pro or anti Boyd, but if we pick players up they should be given a reasonable run free of injury to make their mark. Now if I recall Boyd was flying in his first couple of VFL games and got a major injury and was out for a chunk of last season, the game he got injured those of us who watch VFL regularly stated he should have been an AFL in after just a handful of VFL games. I'm not even sure a COVID season counts as a normal opportunity to develop players.Players need a trick to feature in AFL, and Boyd has a boot on him that is significant given good form and a run of uninterrupted development. Whether he turns into a durable AFL option might come down to luck, just like Marchbank.Voss says he likes what he sees about Boyd, he says the same about Marchbank, I've no reason as yet to distrust Voss in fact I back him in because Voss is filling me full of confidence win or lose as each week passes!If Voss has a spot for Boyd then Boyd has a spot, plain and simple.Well said, Spotted One. The Vossmeister said on arrival that every player, with him, had a blank slate. You cannot ask for any more than that. Same goes for Boyd. Like everyone, he's got 2022 to prove himself.Like many, I've been disappointed with what Boyd has shown, until very recently. His last game in the VFL was a ripper. He has something going for him that is trumps in anyone's book, a terrific attitude and work ethic. Although he's delivered some howlers on field, he's also shown some encouraging glimpses. Owing to so many injuries, in some respects, he's been thrown in the deep end and not had the opportunity to develop confidence in the Magoos. Let's give the kid a chance. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide Reply #59 – May 07, 2022, 01:27:25 pm Boyd a late in for Plowman. Quote Selected