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Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #150 –
Eds inclusion must be tactical as his pre season form was ordinary.
Probably tells you a bit about Dow and Obriens future too imo given they have been left out in such an important game.
The trust in Plowman seems to have evaporated as well, the coaching career of Voss started to slide in his 2nd year at Brisbane and expectations are high for finals in 2023.  He doesn't want any passengers and you know a player like Ed will give you effort and accountability unlike a few others.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #151 –
Quote from: DJC – on
He could be the sub 🙂

He may be...
Pittonet might be there as a distraction.
(He may not be ready to go)
But Richmond have to consider that we may play the two rucks at some stage.
 
Of the emergencies...who would provide the best overall coverage?
They all seem pretty specialist in their roles.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #152 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Eds inclusion must be tactical as his pre season form was ordinary.
Probably tells you a bit about Dow and Obriens future too imo given they have been left out in such an important game.
The trust in Plowman seems to have evaporated as well, the coaching career of Voss started to slide in his 2nd year at Brisbane and expectations are high for finals in 2023.  He doesn't want any passengers and you know a player like Ed will give you effort and accountability unlike a few others.
Is Ed the special case defender selected just to tag Dusty out of F50?

But looking at our team, I'd suggest we are hoping Dusty is starved of opportunity, we are setup to intercept across the HBF and not for defence at FB.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #154 –
Plowman hardly got a vote in 2022 or 2018, what a spud.

https://www.blueseum.org/2022+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2021+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2020+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2019+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2018+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2017+Best+and+Fairest+Votes

2021, 2020, 2019, and 2017 were just lucky!

Hmm, it's obvious the coaches are failing because they do not listen to the fans! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #155 –
To suggest the Tigers will have to think a lot about Ed is a bit odd. The guy has played 11 seasons and he’s probably played on any of his likely opponents a number of times. Those players know what to expect. And the coaches know he’ll play as a stopper, whether in the midfield, F50 or D50. With Teague as an assistant coach, there won’t be any surprises. And in any event, coaches would be used to their team playing against a run-all-day tagger. It’s not as though you need to plan for it. The opposition will decide whether they run a hard tag or not. The only thing a coach can do to break the tag is take the tagged player off the field or send him to the F50 to see if the tagger follows. Coaches have given up on trying to send another midfielder to help out the tagged player. Unsurprisingly, that never worked.

Now, if Ed might have a non-tagging assignment, I’m all ears.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #157 –
I reckon Richmond's biggest headache is down back. Balta is athletic and probably the ideal match up for Charlie....but then who goes to Harry? Get enough of the ball in the middle and use it well going forward and McKay should be able to outmark any of their defenders and help himself to a bag. Balta will likely go to McKay and then it'll be a Vlaustin or Broad on Charlie with Grimes intercepting.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #158 –
Miller is their tallest defender and it would be tempting to think he’ll play on Harry. But his last 5 games have seen him interchanging off the bench with Nankervis in the ruck. If he’s the 2nd ruck, he can’t be expected to change off Harry. Broad is 192 cm but he tends to take small mobile forwards such as Charlie Cameron in the finals last year. He isn’t really a key defender type.

They really are left with only Grimes and Balta on Charlie and Harry respectively, with Vlaustuin playing as the intercept defender.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #159 –
If a fit Ed can stitch up Ablett Jnr, he can handle Dusty as well.

Otherwise, I think we are going to waste a player with good run and carry on Dusty, or worse still someone like Gov standing at FB when he should be up the ground intercepting.

I think Dusty is too mobile for Weiters or Young, but they have the strength to match him, Cowan would be a lamb to the slaughter. Saad and Doc a waste of good run, unless the plan is to run off Dusty.

Does Newman have the pace and agility to go with Dusty, he has enough strength and aggression, but I'm not sure he'll keep up?

I think if we can shutdown Riewoldt with a one on one, and then assume they will want Dusty left in space so we should close it up as much as possible, because you know Dusty will turn most players inside out. That leaves them with Lynch as the primary marking target, and I think we can cover or break even with him, I assume Weiters get's that gig.

I suspect Graham for them will end up down back, his F50 listing is a smokescreen.

Odds on Cotchin tries to run through someone early.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #160 –
Quote from: LP – on
Plowman hardly got a vote in 2022 or 2018, what a spud.

https://www.blueseum.org/2022+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2021+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2020+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2019+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2018+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2017+Best+and+Fairest+Votes

2021, 2020, 2019, and 2017 were just lucky!

Hmm, it's obvious the coaches are failing because they do not listen to the fans! :o
Remind me again the names of the coaches who gave votes to Plowman?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #161 –
Not sure what they would gain from playing Graham in defence. They have Baker and Rioli back there with Broad effectively playing small and Vlastuin taking the 3rd tall or midsized forward. Their weakness is in the tall defensive area rather than rebounding or small defenders.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #162 –
I hope our blokes aren't as nervous as I am. I need the all bounced now!
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #163 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Remind me again the names of the coaches who gave votes to Plowman?
Does it matter, it seems a bit of a straw man argument, an attempt to assert the quality of former coaches is somehow a selective assessment of a player, are you saying the Cripps, Walsh, Weitering and SMurph B&Fs were bogus because of the coaches voting for Plowman? :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #164 –
Quote from: LP – on
Does it matter, it seems a bit of a straw man argument, an attempt to assert the quality of former coaches is somehow a selective assessment of a player, are you saying the Cripps and Walsh B&Fs were bogus? :o
No I am not saying Cripps and Walshes B&Fs were bogus. Yes I am questioning the previous coaches' quality wrt rating
 and giving Plowman votes.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership