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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #240 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
It's not about goals it about what forward pressure they create, retaining the ball in the forward line and creating opportunities for others and that all comes under the heading of work rate and that's where questions are being asked of these players.
Ive changed my view on all this, for me its 100% all about goals, our smalls simply do not do enough. No more Mrs Nice Guy and fluff team stats. I get it, they are young, but so is say Ranking and Rachele. Their mindset must change to a feral desire to hit the scoreboard at all costs, that may involve being selfish at times and demanding the footy to be in their hands (even from Charlie and H). Little Fellas are allowed to have big personalities and behave like "The Big Dog".  Edidie was exactly this in his prime, "gimme the ball and let me go to work". They have the skills, especially Durdin, time to shine kids.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #241 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Ive changed my view on all this, for me its 100% all about goals, our smalls simply do not do enough. No more Mrs Nice Guy and fluff team stats. I get it, they are young, but so is say Ranking and Rachele. Their mindset must change to a feral desire to hit the scoreboard at all costs, that may involve being selfish at times and demanding the footy to be in their hands (even from Charlie and H). Little Fellas are allowed to have big personalities and behave like "The Big Dog".  Edidie was exactly this in his prime, "gimme the ball and let me go to work". They have the skills, especially Durdin, time to shine kids.
Richmond won three flags with high pressure small forwards.
Saints are flying with Higgins, Butler and Gresham...they get plenty of ball because they get involved a lot. They just don't wait to cherry pick goals and do nothing else.
Our lot don't work hard enough for each other and the team imho...

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #242 –
Every time I am lining up to go into a Carlton game, I am wondering if we will see the Dr Jekyll or the Mr Hyde.  You can usually tell in the first 10 minutes if the group mindset is switched on.

I want to see one simple thing on Sunday - just get out there and put in 110% from minute 1 until minute 120.  If the effort is there, the results take care of themselves.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #243 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
It's not about goals its about what forward pressure they create, retaining the ball in the forward line and creating opportunities for others and that all comes under the heading of work rate and that's where questions are being asked of these players.
Quote from: Mav – on
Both Motlop and Durdin are averaging over a goal a game. Durdin has 5 goals from 4 games and Motlop has 6 goals from 5 games (although 1 of those was gifted when Coniglio was penalised for dissent). I guess we can’t ask much more from guys who are hardly in the running for AA selection. If only we had an elite small forward such as Kossie Pickett or Josh Rachele.

Would we be reasonably happy with  30 goals from both Durdin and  Motlop at seasons end along one power forward kicking 80 and the other 50...   all on track for those figures.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #244 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Ive changed my view on all this, for me its 100% all about goals, our smalls simply do not do enough. No more Mrs Nice Guy and fluff team stats. I get it, they are young, but so is say Ranking and Rachele. Their mindset must change to a feral desire to hit the scoreboard at all costs, that may involve being selfish at times and demanding the footy to be in their hands (even from Charlie and H). Little Fellas are allowed to have big personalities and behave like "The Big Dog".  Edidie was exactly this in his prime, "gimme the ball and let me go to work". They have the skills, especially Durdin, time to shine kids.
We've had 2 different coleman medalists in the past 2 years and you are complaining are small forwards don't kick enough goals?

How many goals do you expect us to kick?

If the big blokes are kicking the goals, small forwards pressuring is all we need.
If the big blokes can't kick goals, then sure, small forwards need to step up.

As it is, we have a good balance that works for us.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #245 –
Quote from: Mav – on
I guess we can’t ask much more from guys who are hardly in the running for AA selection. If only we had an elite small forward such as Kossie Pickett or Josh Rachele.
So much of this depends on team tactics, it's not really fair to compare players on such uneven terms.

Rochelle basically came into a club that had a SF crumbing game plan developed around Betts over a decade.

Kossie Pickett plays in a team with no clearly defined KPF, Gawn is probably their closest thing to a KPF this season, and can you imagine our Durdin and Motlop with Gawn working for them inside F50?

We complain too much about who, and we don't really complain enough about not getting the best out of what we've got. FFS, we have two Coleman medallists inside F50 and a game plan that sits the pill on their head at least 50% of the time! Mostly Charlie and BigH are occupying 2 or more defenders, and we bomb it to them, where is our decision making, where is our spare numbers if Charlie and BigH have 2 or more guarding them? :o

Think of last Thursday, when the Crow onballers and HBs were running off our Mids in numbers, when we occasionally forced a turnover, FFS how can it be we were kicking to contests when many of our Mids and HF had already trailed behind the streaming Crows? The Crows had numbers forward of the ball, and numbers behind the ball, we must have been beaten at the contest by ghosts!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #246 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Every time I am lining up to go into a Carlton game, I am wondering if we will see the Dr Jekyll or the Mr Hyde.  You can usually tell in the first 10 minutes if the group mindset is switched on.

I want to see one simple thing on Sunday - just get out there and put in 110% from minute 1 until minute 120.  If the effort is there, the results take care of themselves.
And sometimes, despite that effort, the results dont go your way. Ill cop that, I will not however cop the performance v Adelaide.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #247 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Every time I am lining up to go into a Carlton game, I am wondering if we will see ................
Mate, "Carlton is the definition of Melbourne", four season in a day!

Even back in the old days, the golden days, we rarely got more than one good quarter, actually back then that was all that we needed!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #248 –
Quote from: LP – on
Mate, "Carlton is the definition of Melbourne", four season in a day!

Even back in the old days, the golden days, we rarely got more than one good quarter, actually back then that was all that we needed!
Except 1995. That was the most complete year/season I have every seen, 4 qtr performances virtually every week. You just turned up every week knowing with almost 100% we would win.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #249 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Except 1995. That was the most complete year/season I have every seen, 4 qtr performances virtually every week. You just turned up every week knowing with almost 100% we would win.
Greg Williams was a freak of nature, you'll never see another like him, he and Lethal are the only players I've ever seen in history that would still when when the team around them was losing.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #251 –
Mav...Cincotta presumably a direct replacement in the 22 for Saad? If we believe the club and McGovern is also right, who comes out for him?

I'm staggered if Honey and LOB are both in the 22.

IMO I'd have Honey, O'Brien out, along with Saad, and have McGovern, Kemp and Cincotta in....maybe Plowman as emergency. Is TDK named in the 22....maybe we do change it up and play one ruckman?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #252 –
Could those with Italian backgrounds explain why Cincotta is pronounced Sin-COT-ta rather than Chin-COT-ta?

Of course, families are entitled to pronounce their surnames as they wish and those wishes should be respected. Oddly enough, Scott Camporeale seemed surprised to discover that in Italy his surname would be pronounced Cam-po-ree-ARL-ee. And of course some pronunciations are driven by the need to separate the name from English words, such as the surname Koch (pronounced David Cosh or the Coke brothers in the US). And then we have the 2 different ways of saying Fogarty.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #253 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Could those with Italian backgrounds explain why Cincotta is pronounced Sin-COT-ta rather than Chin-COT-ta? .......................................

The rules dictate that a C followed by an E or I is pronounced as you suggest. Not sure why it's supposedly "Sincotta".

https://dailyitalianwords.com/italian-pronunciation-challenge-c-ch-cc/

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #254 –
Mav, if you're referring to the highlights package on the CFC website, I'd say those commentators simply don't know they're mispronouncing it. Hopefully "Chincotta" himself knows the right way.