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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #15 –
Let's not get buried down in the ruck debate.

How would we have gone with one ruck against Sydney?
How would we have gone with 2 rucks today?
We actually have no idea.

Different games.
Different venues.
Different opposition.

A good win today, still lots to work on.
But good to see signs of a bit of versatility in the side.
Williams much more impactful as a forward and not really needed as a backman.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Again, are you taking the p!55 or what? Tom got smashed by Witts today, if ever you needed two rucks with one parked in the fwd line it was today. I dont know why they didn't park TDK in the goal square for his rest instead of the bench (like the resting ruckman did in the good old days). Sometimes old is new.
TDK got 25 touches, 5 marks, 3 tackles, alot more than Witts. Witts certainly got more taps but we towelled them up at clearances. Beat him where it matters more, around then ground, quite comprehensively.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #17 –
Rucking is more than just messy 50/50 hitouts and low quality clearances - its the tackles and marks - all the best rucks in the game tackle and take marks.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #18 –
Quote from: laj on
TDK got 25 touches, 5 marks, 3 tackles, alot more than Witts. Witts certainly got more taps but we towelled them up at clearances. Beat him where it matters more, around then ground, quite comprehensively.



Also, he’s 24yo. Still learning a hard craft. He’s already b+ player on the league and can easily be elite IMO

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #19 –
Quote from: tex on
Would echo others here
- Charlie, frustrating. Awful game to HT but some how kicks 4. Thought Harry played a better role in the fwd line for less reward.
- Williams - shows our other forwards how it’s done.
- TDK, brilliant. Shows the versatility of our side
- Cripps was great as was Walsh again

We really need to be rotating our key players on the final month of the year to freshen them up. We have had as hard a 2 months as I can recall, with 2 weeks to come. McG, Weiters, Hewitt, Harry, Newman, Cripps, Walsh, TDK all need spells.

Would be interested to know how we go with TDK an Pittonet today, with one resting on Mac Andrew in the fwd half. Same result?

Next week - out, Orasio, in Motlop

If we went with two rucks we would have taken a runner out of the game on interchange - we had more run because players had more minutes to rest. Two rucks has been a disaster.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #20 –
Quote from: pinot on
If we went with two rucks we would have taken a runner out of the game on interchange - we had more run because players had more minutes to rest. Two rucks has been a disaster.
As Lods said, we’ll never know

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Reply #21 –
Quote from: shawny on
Watch the love come for williams this week - most wanted him in the bin the last few weeks.

I like him forward and while he wont kick 4 every week he is a decent user and is a smart footballer and dangerous when the ball is loose and bobbling around which happens a lot with our twin towers. Opposition coaches will be concerned having to deal with him as if you don't respect him he will make you pay. Also think we need to persist with kennedy as a medium forward. Cant rely on Martin or Cunningham and with Jack out for the year imo kennedy is a good option for us to fill that gap. He is strong overhead and i trust him as a set shot.

Thought Voss won in the coaches box today which was good cause i cant stand Hardwick.

Happy to bank the points - will be a tougher challenge next week. Hopefully Cerra is ready.  Off to enjoy my winners Scotch.
Think Cerra will need another week. Hammies are 3 weeks minimum.

Do look forward to Martin getting back though. Have he, Williams, Fogarty, Motlop around forward makes us dangerous. Martin's a gun when he's going. Wish we could actually see him but if is he going during the 2nd half of the year, like last year, then i'll be certainly happy.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #22 –
Quote from: tex on
As Lods said, we’ll never know

Maybe but losing three of four with two rucks is a fairly significant indicator - considering we continuously were running out of gas towards end of games.

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Reply #23 –
Quote from: pinot on
If we went with two rucks we would have taken a runner out of the game on interchange - we had more run because players had more minutes to rest. Two rucks has been a disaster.
Probably not a disaster but we are always better balanced with one. I think it helps having Harry as a back-up as he revels in a run around the ground.

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Reply #24 –
Williams looks a bazillion times better when he can just chase the footy, doesn't have the discipline for standing a man as a defender
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #25 –
Quote from: laj on
Probably not a disaster but we are always better balanced with one. I think it helps having Harry as a back-up as he revels in a run around the ground.

You're right - escaped disaster by the skin of our teeth - back in the eight so all is good with the world. But I wonder how long this will last.

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Reply #26 –
I know it may open a can of worms, but we just look better with TDK as the solo ruck, it also allows H to get into the game more in the ruck and around the ground. Not so top heavy. An extra running small is oh so handy.

Our only lapse was the last 7 or 8 minutes. Huge step re persistence.

I saw why Fantasia was chosen over Durdin, narrowly.

McGovern so supreme in defense.

Walshy great but gotta clean up on disposal, handed them possession too many times.

I think we have to live with the fact that Charles is spasmodic, laconic and inconsistent... but when he's on, he's an amazing weapon and turns games.

Martin showed what a small forward can doing hanging around H and Charles. Too much talent to be used as a lock down defender. Great opportunistic goal sense.

Cincotta sacrificed his game to play his lock down role really well.

Got a beaut with E Hollands. Just used the aggot so well.

Crippa shone.

To be honest, I wouldn't make any changes for next week. Saady and Fog will be better for the run. Motlop needs another game in the Magoos. Maybe Billy for Jack as the sub.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #27 –
The thing is that the rucks are just one 'variable' in a host of 'variables' that have to be considered, including players, in, players out, opposition, weather conditions even venues.

In the GWS game Tom kicked three and Pittonet gave the midfield an armchair ride.

If we look at the teams we played with two rucks, vs the teams we played with one at the start of the year...how were they all going at the time.

It's impossible to be definite.
We can have a view, but it will probably sort itself out as the season progresses.
Having both is a handy backup position if we do decide to go with just one, because odds are they won't both be available for all games.



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Reply #28 –
Three weeks for the umpire who made inappropriate contact with Cripps, reduced to $3000 fine as a first offence
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #29 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Williams looks a bazillion times better when he can just chase the footy, doesn't have the discipline for standing a man as a defender
Needs to repeat that form vs better opposition before I am convinced he has arrived as a forward but it was a fair effort and he earned his money today.