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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #75 –
With about a minute to go one of the commentators said, “it’s been a very even performance by the Bulldogs”.
Also, when the siren went: “We’ve been hearing all week that the key message from Beveridge has been “desperation””.

And there you have it my friends.

Out coached.
Out evened-ed.
Out desperated.
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #76 –
We seem to be off the pace a little bit, that might be because of what was said earlier a health issue running through the club or it might be the training load has increased and will be backed off as we approach the finals.
What ever it is you can see that the extra 1%ers are not being done, playing as a team and doing your role seems to have faded.
Doing extra, running harder when we don't have the ball, having 2nd efforts(Charlie).
Just on Charlie, as good as he is, how a guy that big is continually outbodied in marking contests puzzles me. Outmarked way too often, at least bring the ball to ground and them make an effort to go after it. I would like to see him go on the ball for short burst ala Kouta style. All that talent and he just sits in the goals, if anything it would shake up all the matchups.
Umpiring too is a shambles,  it seems one rule for them and a different rule for us. This is not a random comment from this game but an observation of many years of frustration, even oppo supporters always comment we are being hard done by the umps.
Could Ashton Moir come in for Williams while he is injured or is he not ready?

Lastly, can ALL the players stop reading their press, at the moment you have acheived all of double sweet FA. Remain the Hunter.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #77 –
Vfl side on TV at 12.00pm

I've edited this I originally had 2 pm and fluffed my numbers. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
There are consistent calls for Cuningham to be brought into the side when fit.  But wouldn't he be in the same league as Fantasia?

He has shown that he has the skills to succeed but has he ever put in four quarters ?  My impression is that he has never given us more than one or two quarters in a game before disappearing, and that is what caused him to be dropped prior to getting his current injury.

Good observation. The Cameo Kid we called him in the past.
However, in a recent VFL game he laid ten tackles... seems the club knows he has to be given a task that keeps him engaged in the game with an emphasis on getting in and dirty - defensive mindset. Be interesting to see how he goes in today's VFL game... opportunity is knocking, Cunners.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #79 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Vfl side on TV at 2.00pm
I thought it was midday?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #80 –
Don't know why we were favourites for this game, the kind we always lose to a hungrier side.

Pathetic effort for a club icon's milestone game, very disappointing.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #81 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Pathetic effort for a club icon's milestone game, very disappointing.
We don't have a great history of milestone games, not sure why but it is what it is.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #82 –
You look at the stats and we won most of them, dominated the hitouts but really only broke even in the clearances/stoppages like vs GWS. Dominating teams in this area has been a feature of our wins and having such a one paced midfield exposes us when we only break even. Cripps again was a lone hand and its mystifying why the in form Hewett and Kennedy have been dropped or relegated in Kennedys case to sub as a lot of us have been saying.
The flow on effect seems to be Walsh unable to break his tag and being subdued, Id also add when you play Pittonet as the ruckman we lose TDK's clearance ability where I think he provides better value than his actual ruckwork.
IMO Voss and the MC have played this team out of form by trying to be too cute at selection and in efforts to manage workload havent got it right and picked the wrong opponents to be fiddling with selections given players like Cerra and Cottrell have come back in cold and not been able to add much.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #83 –
@ElwoodBlues1‍ I understand your points, but a couple of clarifications.

I suspect Hewett, Kennedy and some others are carrying injuries, it's the only thing that explains MC decisions, nursing these blokes through the main season to get them to finals in good enough condition to have an impact.

Our Midfield was down, but we have Cerra back, we don't expect our midfield to perform less competently when you add Cerra but as you mention he's out of form which should probably be expected from a player who has missed so much footy. But now is the time to run him into form and match fitness, not a week before finals.

btw., I often think AFL strength and condition coaches get it wrong, they go too far in the strength and not enough in the condition stuff. Cerra looked heavy and slow, his legs looked significantly bulkier, but he has lost some pace. He like our other Mids needs every trace of pace they can muster.

We brought Cottrell straight back, perhaps the MC honouring a promise to player who lose a spot due to injury, but he's come back in stone cold out of form and having little impact. Same timing issue applies to Cottrell, if we are going to carry him at any stage it has to be now, not in 4 or 5 weeks time!

I get your comment about TDK being in the midfield less, but he can't go the full season like that and not break down, and technically Pitto averages more clearances than TDK. The suggestion we lose clearances is not correct, if we lose anything it's spread, but even yesterday Pitto delivered first possession to a team-mate multiple times and they immediately turned it over. We could have been running Big Nick or Farmer and still would have been done over!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #84 –
Quote from: LP – on
@ElwoodBlues1‍ I understand your points, but a couple of clarifications.

I suspect Hewett, Kennedy and some others are carrying injuries, it's the only thing that explains MC decisions, nursing these blokes through the main season to get them to finals in good enough condition to have an impact.

Our Midfield was down, but we have Cerra back, we don't expect our midfield to perform less competently when you add Cerra but as you mention he's out of form which should probably be expected from a player who has missed so much footy. But now is the time to run him into form and match fitness, not a week before finals.

btw., I often think AFL strength and condition coaches get it wrong, they go too far in the strength and not enough in the condition stuff. Cerra looked heavy and slow, his legs looked significantly bulkier, but he has lost some pace. He like our other Mids needs every trace of pace they can muster.

We brought Cottrell straight back, perhaps the MC honouring a promise to player who lose a spot due to injury, but he's come back in stone cold out of form and having little impact. Same timing issue applies to Cottrell, if we are going to carry him at any stage it has to be now, not in 4 or 5 weeks time!

I get you comment about TDK being in the midfield less, but he can't go the full season like that and not break down, and technically Pitto averages more clearances than TDK. The suggestion we lose clearances is not correct, if we lose anything it's spread, but even yesterday Pitto delivered first possession to a team-mate multiple times and they immediately turned it over.
Hewett is playing in the twos, Kennedy was fit to play as the sub.....if they are injured or carrying injuries then rest and dont play them at all. We have a series of lighter games coming up, I would have managed players vs lesser teams.
Pittonet might average more clearances but I'm backing TDK to win the vital ones and have more impact with the ones he gets.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #85 –
Anyone else pick up on Vossy's dig at umpires re Weiters copping knocks to the back without acknowledgement? (This was in response to a question from a journo re why Weiters was doubled up at one stage?)
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #86 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Pittonet might average more clearances but I'm backing TDK to win the vital ones and have more impact with the ones he gets.
Both rucks won contested centre clearances with solo efforts and disposed on the ball forward only to find our forwards behind outpointed by opponents, the ball was then run off our HF to generate a scoring opportunity for the opposition.

The problem wasn't the ruck or Mids, on the turnover they never got with 30m of the footy after it left our HF, to be in the contest they would have needed to be heading to the wing before PItto or TDK even kicked it!

We can't develop tactics for such turnovers, we have to assume when we win the footy and head forward we will win some contests, we won hardly any.

Add to that, do fans even recall Harry or Charlie contested marking on the wing or the HBF in the exit roll, we just can't plan for that happening?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #87 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I thought it was midday?
right you are I must have read it wrong.  Not sure why I ommitted a 1
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #88 –
We brought Cerra and Cottrell back too soon.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #89 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We brought Cerra and Cottrell back too soon.
Depends whether you think the reason is to win this week or in September, maybe the problem isn't bringing them back early, but bringing too many of them back at the same time. Cerra, Marchbank, Cottrell, and potentially with some blokes playing injured, TDK, Kennedy, Weitering even Charlie!

But I assert, if we have to do that, then now is better than 4 or 5 weeks from now.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"