Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #45 – July 22, 2024, 01:24:07 pm Quote from: LordLucifer – on July 21, 2024, 09:29:32 pmNo-one can be happy about that game, we nearly coughed it up too. Thing is, serious premiership contenders don't struggle to put away the cellar-dwellers but we do. Just out of interest. Who are the premiership contenders? Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #46 – July 22, 2024, 01:28:53 pm Quote from: Shakin77 – on July 22, 2024, 01:24:07 pmJust out of interest. Who are the premiership contenders?Anyone who makes the finals.I think we match up OK against most of the current Top 8, SOS put it well when he described the difference between building a list to be competitive and building a list to win a flag.But every list has it strengths and weakness, physically, tactically, for example our list is stronger for certain venues that suit our team tactics. Is a list that wins at Marvel the same as a list that wins at the MCG? Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #47 – July 22, 2024, 03:02:17 pm doesn't matter who our opponent is our system game plan is no good ,until we get rid of LONG BOMBS in our style of play the other teams just set up for it. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #48 – July 22, 2024, 03:09:20 pm Quote from: pinot – on July 22, 2024, 12:26:09 pmNorf are a good team.Need Gov in the backline though.Intercept game in the back half was largely non existent.ASAP Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #49 – July 22, 2024, 03:17:46 pm I really hate Clarkson and his thug teams: Tom de Koning to miss with a broken foot and a punctured lung. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #50 – July 22, 2024, 04:20:36 pm Coaches;10 Sheezel 2 x 58 Cripps 2 x 45 Xerri 1 x 3, 1 x 23 LDU 1 x 32 Curnow 1 x 21 TDK 1 x 11 Saad 1 x 1Bit surprised Saad didn't rank higher. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #51 – July 22, 2024, 04:25:24 pm Quote from: LP – on July 22, 2024, 04:20:36 pmCoaches;10 Sheezel 2 x 58 Cripps 2 x 45 Xerri 1 x 3, 1 x 23 LDU 1 x 32 Curnow 1 x 21 TDK 1 x 11 Saad 1 x 1Bit surprised Saad didn't rank higher.Thought Weitering was worth a vote or Newman....didnt Saad start on Curtis?...didnt think that went so well... Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #52 – July 22, 2024, 04:28:03 pm Quote from: LP – on July 22, 2024, 10:59:47 amI think we'd kill for an LDU type at the moment, heavy body, agile, hard at the contest, we have that, but he is loaded with outside pace compared to our Mids, and how good is Wardlaw?Was impressed with Curtis and the Archer kid too... Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #53 – July 22, 2024, 04:43:26 pm Quote from: DJC – on July 21, 2024, 09:17:22 pmHe won’t be in my best players but I just want to acknowledge Ollie Hollands for his ability to get to contests and his repeat efforts.I have wondered about his selection week after week but, like Matty Cottrell, I suspect that a lot of Ollie’s work goes unnoticed. It was more apparent this arvo. Well done young man!I've been one to stick up for him and praising him for his 'unnoticed effort' each week.I stood up for him when people were calling for his eviction from the side in favour of a 2nd ruck. (You may have been one of them).Now without wanting to go down that path, you can clearly see what he offers and how that is a benefit over another tall, specifically a ruck.We need pressure players. Ollie is a pressure player.People forget, he is only in his 2nd year. Not many other blokes are going better than him that were taken around (or after) his pick, #11, in the draft.Someone like Carroll has been on the list longer and shown us less. Somehow because he has played less games, he gets more chances....even though he has been around longer. Similarly Cottrell who has been around longer than both...but offers very little more than Ollie does at the moment. Even though a lot of his stuff goes unnoticed, he hasn't got back to his pre-injury form yet, far from it. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #54 – July 22, 2024, 05:22:22 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 22, 2024, 04:25:24 pmThought Weitering was worth a vote or Newman....didnt Saad start on Curtis?...didnt think that went so well...I think that's attributing the wrong cause, for me what happened early was an effect of the way that pill pinged around.I doubt any of our defenders could do well, for example early Larkey looked to be in for his usual a bag and Weiters was spitting teeth at team-mates! Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #55 – July 23, 2024, 08:08:07 am Quote from: kruddler – on July 22, 2024, 04:43:26 pmI've been one to stick up for him and praising him for his 'unnoticed effort' each week.I stood up for him when people were calling for his eviction from the side in favour of a 2nd ruck. (You may have been one of them).Now without wanting to go down that path, you can clearly see what he offers and how that is a benefit over another tall, specifically a ruck.We need pressure players. Ollie is a pressure player.People forget, he is only in his 2nd year. Not many other blokes are going better than him that were taken around (or after) his pick, #11, in the draft.Someone like Carroll has been on the list longer and shown us less. Somehow because he has played less games, he gets more chances....even though he has been around longer. Similarly Cottrell who has been around longer than both...but offers very little more than Ollie does at the moment. Even though a lot of his stuff goes unnoticed, he hasn't got back to his pre-injury form yet, far from it.I don't think anyone questions Ollie's endeavour and ability to get to contests to effect timely spoils. His work rate is... well... first rate.However, and yes, he's still learning, he still makes critical disposal errors, especially handing the aggott back to the opposition. One error against the Kangabies cost us momentum and very likely a shot on goal - a simple short kick to a team mate fell short and was marked by the opposition. Another where he tried to mark the ball with hands only, failing to commit his body. And due to his slight body, he's easily knocked out of contests. Does that mean we drop him? Of course not. But it does say he has important skills to work on... and he aint Robinson Crusoe in that regard.Nutshell: great work ethic and defensive efforts. Disposal skills, still a concern. We all love Ollie and his huge ticker, but that doesn't mean we can't be objective, even critical, of his shortcomings. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #56 – July 23, 2024, 08:19:57 am Quote from: Baggers – on July 23, 2024, 08:08:07 amHowever, and yes, he's still learning, he still makes critical disposal errors, especially handing the aggott back to the opposition. Nutshell: great work ethic and defensive efforts. Disposal skills, still a concern. We all love Ollie and his huge ticker, but that doesn't mean we can't be objective, even critical, of his shortcomings.He's just a kid, he'll be fine given time, fans can be too impatient.After last weekend I fear he will now have another pre-season to get stuff right before we are a serious challenger.We really need the MC to step up now, they no longer have a choice, it's all on them. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #57 – July 23, 2024, 08:46:57 am You know this is probably the central point of all the structural and positional debates we have on here, whether it’s ruck or small forward.A team is made up of three different types of players. Each is important. Good teams have a nice balance of both.There is the ‘role players and pressure bringers’- These are guys whose contribution often goes unnoticed. They are also the most criticised because the average supporter doesn’t always understand their job, and the role they play because they’re not bothering the basic statsmen too much with disposals, goals etc.Then there is the ‘impact’ player- These are the flashy guys the fans love. The high possession winners, the prolific markers and goal scorers. They often escape criticism because in a five -minute burst they can turn a game.The third one is the rarity. The player who combines pressure, plays a role and impacts a game in a noticeable way… and they’re usually the most valuable players. They can change a game in a minute but also sacrifice and perform another role when required. I can only think of a couple of players in our side who fit that role.So, in terms of team selection, it will always be the role player/pressure bringer who is most likely to be called into question when the final pieces are put into a side. Unless that pressure is elite it’s the easiest aspect to replace, because ‘impact’ is a natural extra ability or talent.Ollie Hollands is in his second year. He’s 20 years old. This time next year he’ll likely be a 50 gamer with many more to come. He’ll develop extra strings to his bow as he matures. The best aspects of his game at the moment will only get better. But at the moment he wouldn’t be one of the first players picked, and as such there may be times when he is on the fringe of selection if we have a nearly full list to pick from. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #58 – July 23, 2024, 09:06:04 am Quote from: LP – on July 22, 2024, 01:28:53 pmAnyone who makes the finals.I think we match up OK against most of the current Top 8, SOS put it well when he described the difference between building a list to be competitive and building a list to win a flag.But every list has it strengths and weakness, physically, tactically, for example our list is stronger for certain venues that suit our team tactics. Is a list that wins at Marvel the same as a list that wins at the MCG?We can't drop anymore games. If we drop any games Brisbane will take 2nd spot and the path to the premiership becomes really difficult. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 19 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Reply #59 – July 23, 2024, 11:12:18 am Quote from: madbluboy – on July 23, 2024, 09:06:04 amWe can't drop anymore games. If we drop any games Brisbane will take 2nd spot and the path to the premiership becomes really difficult.Have the AFL now change the rules / terms / contracts for 2024 finals, can they not play both games out of Melbourne in the 1st week of finals leaving the MCG vacant?I know the AFL want those contracts changed, but I'm not sure they are in place for 2024, and if those conditions remain and it's Swans, Lions 1 and 2 it'll be 1 that gets the home state final not 2. So I think 1st, 2nd or 3rd remains OK.Finally, for the AFL the decision still remains discretionary, I doubt they would take Carlton away from the MCG week one, it would cost tens of millions of dollars. Quote Selected Last Edit: July 23, 2024, 11:26:03 am by LP