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Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #30 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Yep if you ever wondered who the number 1 ruck was that question has been more than answered. Pittonet is a C grade footballer.
Have to agree.....Sweet is a C grade ruckman and Pittonet lowered his colours in the hitouts and had no real effect around the ground either and we just cant afford to lose TDK's contribution in the middle getting clearances. Not scrappy clearances that are just stats but the meaningful ones at critical times when he bursts through the centre and sends the ball forward quickly.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #31 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
At the ground I thought Pittonrt was useless. Charlie was well beaten.weitering beat Dixon but not much else.

Charlie had...
- 2nd for m gained - 547m gained. (McGovern had 553m, next best was cripps with 370m and Walsh with 358m)
- most inside 50s - 6
- most contested marks - 3
- most goals - 3
- most fantasy points on the ground (afl app) - 113.

Well beaten??

Pittonet had...
- =2nd clearances - 5 (cripps 9, Walsh and Hewett 5)
- =4th in contested marks - 1
- 232m gained which was twice as much as saad. 3 times as much as Hewett. And better than 8 other Carlton players including cottrell.
- more disposals, more inside 50s, more clearances, more m gained than his direct opponent.
(Some stats still not loaded yet but there will be more)

So he did his job as well.

Now, my comments were based off what I saw.
I only went OK the stats to justify it because I'm not sure what you saw.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #32 –
Carlton lost who cares.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #33 –
Quote from: laj – on
JSOS, Acres, Williams, Martin too would be handy.

I just don't understand how we can play one qtr the last few weeks that is premiership material then not fire a shot for the rest. Like after we do that we are cooked and sides just run over us. Up until 4 weeks ago getting run over by sides just never happened. If we were a few goals up, then the other side kicked a few, we'd lift and burying them unmercifully. Now we just get run over and crash after that one random qtr of brilliance.

Seriously martin? Never plays.
JSOS? Jack of all trades great back ip player but without be bias he is not a starting 18 player.
Williams ? Most on here bagged the guy except when he was moved forward - saying when we had a healthy list he is on the edge now he is one of the reasons we lose. Nope im not buying it.

If we cant beat a mid road team at home with a top 4 spot on the line we are also just a mid road team. Losers make excuses the champion teams get it done against everyone but maybe the very top. Port are not that and the team we fielded should have got it done but we failed.
It is what it is. We are now in a fight again to make the 8 and games against Pies hawks and even saints are no sure thing so unless out form improves we will drop to the bottom of the 8.

I started to foolishly believe we were better. We are not.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #34 –
Maybe at the end of the year you can award the stat premiership to Cripps.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #35 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Maybe at the end of the year you can award the stat premiership to Cripps.
Maybe, what you (thought you) saw was wrong?

No need to sook it up at me for having a different opinion that has some evidence behind it.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #36 –
I saw Carlton get their butt handed them again.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #37 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Charlie had...
- 2nd for m gained - 547m gained. (McGovern had 553m, next best was cripps with 370m and Walsh with 358m)
- most inside 50s - 6
- most contested marks - 3
- most goals - 3
- most fantasy points on the ground (afl app) - 113.

Well beaten??

Pittonet had...
- =2nd clearances - 5 (cripps 9, Walsh and Hewett 5)
- =4th in contested marks - 1
- 232m gained which was twice as much as saad. 3 times as much as Hewett. And better than 8 other Carlton players including cottrell.
- more disposals, more inside 50s, more clearances, more m gained than his direct opponent.
(Some stats still not loaded yet but there will be more)

So he did his job as well.

Now, my comments were based off what I saw.
I only went OK the stats to justify it because I'm not sure what you saw.

Yep
Folks may see it differently, but Pittonet was OK and Charlie improved on recent games.

There was criticism of the criticism through the week, but Charlie has been down.
Not a great deal...but enough to have some of us considering  he may be carrying an injury that has been restricting him.
He looked to be moving with a bit more freedom tonight and seemed to cover more ground. That would probably have been in  part due to McKay's absence.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #38 –
Some facts
- we lack pace
- Pittonet, Marchbank, Young & Durdin nowhere near AFl standard
- we need so much more from Cottrell and Cerra
- O Hollands continues to make inexcusable mistakes at this level
- no team can sustain the sheer number of injury prone players on our list (Martin, Cunningham, McGovern, Marchbank, Williams)
- we lack young talent
- we have way too much salary cap invested in too few. We need to rebalance.

We’re going to need go trade heavily to rebalance the list and cut the injury prone deadwood once and for all. We’re a long way from a premiership.


Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #39 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Seriously martin? Never plays.
JSOS? Jack of all trades great back ip player but without be bias he is not a starting 18 player.
Williams ? Most on here bagged the guy except when he was moved forward - saying when we had a healthy list he is on the edge now he is one of the reasons we lose. Nope im not buying it.

If we cant beat a mid road team at home with a top 4 spot on the line we are also just a mid road team. Losers make excuses the champion teams get it done against everyone but maybe the very top. Port are not that and the team we fielded should have got it done but we failed.
It is what it is. We are now in a fight again to make the 8 and games against Pies hawks and even saints are no sure thing so unless out form improves we will drop to the bottom of the 8.

I started to foolishly believe we were better. We are not.

Martin starred late last year when it mattered. He was vital.  While he is on our list and he's not playing then.we miss that. JSOS available a very handy, and would have been tonight with McKay out.

Pies lost R20, 21 and 23 last year, Swan's have losr 3 of their last 4. Lots of ebbs and flows, especially this year.

My issue is, the last 4 weeks, why do.we play a random qtr of premiership style football then look like we are cooked. Until then, if we got a lead and the other sides came back abit, we would just lift and bury them in 15 min Now we burst to a lead, then look like we are dead. Have to be in a hard block of training. Hopefully that part hasn't be stuffed up by  Vossy. Until recently, even Carlton rarely gave up big leads and lost.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #40 –
Goodness me, what a load of chicken littles.

Port are good enough to beat pretty much anyone, they had an extra day break, and we had a few too many walk up starts way down on output and to go with it, the umpires rogered us beautifully with quite a few decisions which actually put port in front.

Yes, we should have been able to hold on, but we were dump kicking long to no one.

Kemp did swing forward when young went back, but the ball didn't go near him and then pittonet disappeared and young was required in the ruck.

Acres, tdk and McKay are massive upgrades over what we put out particularly acres running power and height. 

Regarding talls, the balance wasn't wrong, we couldn't run out the game anyway.  There ends that lesson.  Our run isn't hampered by height its hampered by too many underdone smalls who don't give us 4 quarters of effort.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #41 –
Lewis Young was horrendous and it was a good test tonight to see if he could come in and give us something when Harry was out but he was timid and a deer in the headlights and Id probably give Lemmey a run next time we need a fill in KP/ruck.
Cerra was MIA and has been useless since returning and probably deserves a run in the twos and Jack Carroll can depart for WC as I cant see him in our future plans and thought his game was VFL standard.
Ollie Hollands was equally disappointing and his decision making poor again tonight, yep he gives effort but he is making too many errors and needs some time in the twos and Id bring Binns in and then compare the two.
Walsh needs a rest and maybe a new temporary position when he comes back(see Nick Daicos) to get the heat and taggers off him. Without a genuine CHB its hard for Weitering to hold the backline together each week and he must be hanging out for a managed rest too but thats impossible given the state of our backline.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #42 –
While.i was looking through the stats I noticed something interesting in regards to Kemp.

He played 100% TOG in quarters 1, 2 and 3.
He played only 54% TOG in the last.

I noted before that I saw him on the bench in the last when we needed something from him and vossy didn't try much with him when we needed it.

Now to me that shows either....
1. A severe lack of trust in Kemp to do what's required when it matters.
2. He got injured.

Either way, it's not good news for us and him.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #43 –
Quote from: laj – on
Martin starred late last year when it mattered. He was vital.  While he is on our list and he's not playing then.we miss that.
Cant trust him to stay on the park, we saw another chandelier in Cuningham injured and this whole thing with these perennially injured players has to end and move them on...Martins best can be very good but you cant build a team or system with players who dont play regular footy.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #44 –
Was at the game. Hugely disappointing loss.
Port are not a great team.
Very good second term, pressure was up.
Wheels completely fell off in the second half.
Agree with a previous post -  good sides find a way to win even with injuries.
We are held together by half a dozen very good players and when they are covered / injured we become fragile.
There's not  enough talent on the list, it's as simple as that.
Agree we need to be pretty ruthless with the list at the end of the year before the window closes as I don't think we're their yet with this group.
Happy to be proven wrong...