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Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #60 –
Perhaps the thinking with Kennedy as sub is that he is the best utility player we have available ? Perhaps the club also wants him in the starting 22, but with our current situation, compromises need to be made.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #61 –
They didn't like playing Kennedy, Hewett and Cerra at the same time. No longer a problem.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #62 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Perhaps the thinking with Kennedy as sub is that he is the best utility player we have available ? Perhaps the club also wants him in the starting 22, but with our current situation, compromises need to be made.

The problem i have is that he is too slow.
So if we are getting done for speed, and he is the sub, he doesn't really help us.
If he is in the 22 and its partly as a tall, then its ok. If we want to get more speed, we can sub him out.
If we want to sub out a tall, then he can cover there somewhat, and we get that increase in speed.

No team has ever had too much speed.
Plenty of sides have never had enough.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #63 –
For mine Williams is a better sub.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #64 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
For mine Williams is a better sub.
Agree. I like Kennedy but need a pacy sub, especially against the Hawks.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #65 –
Think we have to play to our strengths not try and defend their's so much, we are relying on our bigger stronger mids and KP Forwards to win the day rather than trying to keep up or outpace the Hawks which is futile imho.
They ran Collingwood ragged and the Pies are quicker than we are so I wouldnt be going away from our usual gamestyle and we need to be physical early and show them who is boss.

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Reply #66 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Think we have to play to our strengths not try and defend their's so much, we are relying on our bigger stronger mids and KP Forwards to win the day rather than trying to keep up or outpace the Hawks which is futile imho.
They ran Collingwood ragged and the Pies are quicker than we are so I wouldnt be going away from our usual gamestyle and we need to be physical early and show them who is boss.

I think that’s the key EB.  Trying to counter their strengths won’t get the job done.  Exploiting their weaknesses will.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #67 –
Carlton are going through the repechage to get to the finals. :(
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #68 –
They have similar issues to us.
They concede a lot when it gets inside their 50. They are good at stopping the ball getting inside their 50 though.


2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #69 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Perhaps the thinking with Kennedy as sub is that he is the best utility player we have available ? Perhaps the club also wants him in the starting 22, but with our current situation, compromises need to be made.

The thinking with Kennedy or Hewett as the sub is that our midfield is too slow and part of us having the worst defense in the comp is our midfield doesn't spread, work hard enough and get back to help out the defensive 6 who cop most of the blame.   Acres and O.Hollands work hard as defensive wingers.    Macrae, Daniels and Sanders and best 22 on ability, but they don't fit the defensive systems so Bramble, Poulter and Baker play.   It's the reason why Jarrod Lyons, Will Brodie don't get a game also.   You can't carry too many inside mids in the current game

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Reply #70 –
If we manage to survive well into the finals race, injuries to key players is always likely.
Therefore during the season we need to keep blooding/trying out at AFL level those players who are performing to a "reasonable" level in VFL games.   (IM humble O)
eg. a fortnight ago we could have played Harry Lemmy at CHF instead of backman/ruckman Young in that position.
Yes big Harry L. hasn't been knocking the door down with his performances, but appears to at least have some of the skill set.
Who knows how he will go at AFL until we give him a try.
Imagine how we would go in a final if we had both Charlie and Harry M. out injured? A bit late then perhaps to give a replacement their first game.

On the same theme, this week could be time to give young Binns his first full game.
As others have pointed out, selections lately by CFC seem to go to the more experienced "name" players, often rushed back in, who are soon re-injured.

cheers Ab

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Reply #71 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I think that’s the key EB.  Trying to counter their strengths won’t get the job done.  Exploiting their weaknesses will.
Agree with this, however we need a plan B if things aren't working and need to move a few magnets around. Eg EH or Motlop to the midfield.  CC needs to get on his bike and move around more. Quick and aggressive ball movement, eyes lowered going forward.
Pressure high all game is a given.

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Reply #72 –
Quote from: Adelaideblue – on
If we manage to survive well into the finals race, injuries to keep players is always likely.
Therefore during the season we need to keep blooding/trying out at AFL level those players who are performing to a "reasonable" level in VFL games.   (IM humble O)
eg. a fortnight ago we could have played Harry Lemmy at CHF instead of backman/ruckman Young in that position.
Yes big Harry L. hasn't been knocking the door down with his performances, but appears to at least have some of the skill set.
Who knows how he will go at AFL until we give him a try.
Imagine how we would go in a final if we had both Charlie and Harry M. out injured? A bit late to then perhaps to give a replacement their first game.

On the same theme, this week could be time to give young Binns his first full game.
As others have pointed out, selections lately by CFC seem to go to the more experienced "name" players, often rushed back in, who are soon re-injured.

cheers Ab

I would have played Lemmey earlier and tried to do a Sam DeKoning and get him up to speed quickly and see what he has to offer.
This going back to Young, dropping Kemp  and vice a versa is getting us nowhere and its time to change that cycle, having a 200cm player who can potentially play both ends is a game changer and the kid himself is just meandering around in the twos playing cameo's and we need an intervention in our defensive end and we saw what happened when Geelong played S Dekoning and persisted with him.

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Reply #73 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I would have played Lemmey earlier and tried to do a Sam DeKoning and get him up to speed quickly and see what he has to offer.
This going back to Young, dropping Kemp  and vice a versa is getting us nowhere and its time to change that cycle, having a 200cm player who can potentially play both ends is a game changer and the kid himself is just meandering around in the twos playing cameo's and we need an intervention in our defensive end and we saw what happened when Geelong played S Dekoning and persisted with him.

Worth a shot, but time is running out for experimentation.

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Reply #74 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Worth a shot, but time is running out for experimentation.

Tend to agree its too late and I dont see our MC being as experimental as their Geelong counterparts, Lemmey has been patchy but in the time I saw him down back in the VFL he showed something and we need to be a bit more open to having a gamble with kids. Binns is probably in the same boat....