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Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #90 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Painted ourselves into a corner with long term deals so the trade table for us is the $2 bin at the player reject shop with players like Haynes.


Agree EB - so the only way out is to trade a few guys who have currency contracted or not. If we stick with what we have we are going nowhere.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #91 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I watched us score wins against real sides in games that counted....

Lions rnd 1
GWS
Freo when up early in year
Port on own dungheap
Cheats when flying
Geelong
Dees with Petracca et al.

Don't tell me they were fluked or sneaky wins.

TdK gets taken down then the dynamic totally changes....  Can't defend, can't spread, can't win centre clearances, suddenly too slow to defend on transition.

Change a few key personnel - look how quickly the dynamic changed, there's our true fragility

Fragility is a good word, very apt. We're also too nice... just to throw another negative ingredient into the mix.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #92 –
We've a list of mostly middle distance runners with a few marathon types and no sprinters, and we are playing a 4 x 100m game style, it can work.

We put Charlie, Harry, Cripps into the heat, kick it wide or on the heads, then complain they can't hold a mark, or that they are broken competing against 2 or 3 always, they aren't out marked but we have nobody at their feet either.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #93 –
Harry takes the footy from overhead to waist high more than once at the weekend, gets tunnelled or pummelled, and the pill gets dislodged usually by body contact with another player, the umpires call play on.

A player takes an arms up overhead mark that is punched clear before even a second ticks by, and the umpires pay the mark.

Harry holds the footy 2x longer and isn't rewarded, we need to be asking the questions now in advance of next season.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #94 –
Quote from: LP – on
Multiple time as the weekend Harry takes the footy from overhead to waist high more than once at the weekend, gets tunnelled or pummelled, and the pill gets dislodged usually by body contact with another player, the umpires call play on.

A player takes an arms up overhead mark that is punched clear before even a second ticks by, and the umpires pay the mark.

Harry holds the footy 2x longer and isn't rewarded, we need to be asking the questions now in advance of next season.

The AFL would never admit it, but the "free-kick-Curnow" uproar late last year has effected the way the umpires look at Charlie and H.  They are both still getting the odd free, but never 2 in a row, and really never 2 in a quarter.  the oppo know they can tunnel/chop/block them and only 10% of them will be called

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #95 –
Quote from: pinot – on
We need to persist with youngsters that can stay on the park.
Play Moir and persist with him in Jack Martin\s role he has talent to burn
Give Billy Wilson a run in Saad's role
Give Jaxon Binns a run in Cottrell's role



People forget - Binns didnt get a kick in the 1 AFL match he played.  Moir has been (up unitl this week) strggling to get a kick in the 2s.  Wilson seems to have tapered off a bit.    We play these blokes, they dont get near it, and then the Footy Dept will get smashed for playing blokes that arent ready

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #96 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
For weeks people have been observing that 'Charlie had turned lazy.' Charlie has been playing injured for weeks. Brad Lloyd said 'a number of weeks' which translated into 'Carlton speak' means at least  6! Walsh is definitely hampered, I'd suspect with a back problem, I can't use his best weapon.... pace and quick reaction therefore he gets caught a lot and is restricted in his delivery. To win premierships you need a consistent list, a high degree of talent, no injuries and a fair bit of luck. What chance did we have.

Yep - we lack run.   But, when you consider Walsh and Saad are definitely carrying injuries (either that or the mon-stars from spacejam have stolen their talent).  TDK and Cerra out.  Cottrell out.  you can excuse the lack of spark and run.  Add to that our coleman medalist isnt right.   Its no wonder we have fallen in a hole

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #97 –
We lacked run but our contesting and effort was terrible imo.
We gave up and it was embarrassing...

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #98 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
The AFL would never admit it, but the "free-kick-Curnow" uproar late last year has effected the way the umpires look at Charlie and H.  They are both still getting the odd free, but never 2 in a row, and really never 2 in a quarter.  the oppo know they can tunnel/chop/block them and only 10% of them will be called
Noticed the same thing.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #99 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
The AFL would never admit it, but the "free-kick-Curnow" uproar late last year has effected the way the umpires look at Charlie and H.  They are both still getting the odd free, but never 2 in a row, and really never 2 in a quarter.  the oppo know they can tunnel/chop/block them and only 10% of them will be called
Sorry about the plhone typun, did'nt have time to do my iusuasl corects.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #100 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Noticed the same thing.
We need blokes like H and Charlie to wear ultra-stretchy jumpers, sure opponents can grab them easier but it sticks out like dog's ballz to the umpire!

The skin tight kit shizen is wrong thinking, it's a generalisation, suits some positions and players, is exactly wrong for others!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #101 –
We shouldn't over react imho.

Russell is going.  That's the apparent repeated injury cause going.  If that's the case then we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water, cycle through the list in a controlled manner, bring in liam mcmahon and reward his season as a rookie/top up, go get the next Sam Collins from wherever in the state leagues and then revisit with much the same list, bar about 6 changes.

We aren't that far off, just need to get rolling.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #102 –
Quote from: shawny – on

Been hearing this for the last 10 years. How many times can we blame bad luck or lack or personnel.

We lost many games when the injury list was not what it is now.
As a club we continued to persist with guys on pit list that just cant stay on the park for any sort of extended time without breaking down so it's our fault its not luck.

And then we go out last year and waste a spot on another one in the same basket.
Actually, I'd love to see the stats, but we haven't had a full list to select from since early 1996. Not for a single game in 28 years. As Richmond have shown this year, you take away a significant part of the better players for a significant part of the season and it is very hard to win.
I was hoping that we'd turn that around when we appointed Russell, but that hasn't been the case. Last year we didn't have huge numbers missing and we (mostly) did well. This year, we have missed key personnel for extended periods. That is not sustainable.

I don't know if that can be explained as 'bad luck' or something more sinister, but it is a fact. Teams with intact lists going deep into Sept, teams that don't tend to struggle.
That is not to say that injury is our only problem; it isn't. But injury is a significant factor in our fall.

I would like our recruiters to recruit guys who don't have extended histories of injury.
I would like us to recruit another tall defender, and some real pace to go with our midfield grunt.
I would like our game plan to be more flexible.
I would like our coaching staff to be more reactive during a game, when things are not working.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #103 –
Thinking about the game again, watch the opening minute and you will see what's wrong with the team.
First centre bounce, ball hits the deck, Pitto becomes useless, Meek picks it up, runs away and kicks it fwd, our slow mids trailing  the Hawthorn players. IIRC, Newman leaves his man unnecessarily, loose players everywhere in the fwd line and the opening goal ensues.
Our defence has been terrible for weeks and again nothing is corrected, not even at the opening bounce of a do or die game. If you ask my household (or my neighbours) about my opening play comments and level they were delivered at and I knew how our day was going to pan out (even if we didn't get any injuries). Defences win premierships, ours has cost us an opportunity at one.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #104 –
TDK's super form covered our weaknesses, since he first got injured in the first quarter of the Giants game we have been exposed.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!