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Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #60 –
Need to play a finals brand of football - game against WCE was a much needed confidence booster and boost to team morale.

Everyone needs to be on their game and bring their finals big boy pants. If we get Charlie and Saad back this will help us.

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #61 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
Like any team in their position, St Kilda will have a crack until it all starts getting a bit hard and they start thinking about Mad Monday and overseas trips....... half way through the 3rd quarter. Kill their interest to compete early on.
I hope for this 🙏🏽

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #62 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
What is Marchbank going to give you? He is slower than treacle, panics under pressure, is a terrible kick. Sadly, IMO, his career at AFL level is finished. I've seen enough.
At this stage, a player. Not many left...lol.

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
What is Marchbank going to give you? He is slower than treacle, panics under pressure, is a terrible kick. Sadly, IMO, his career at AFL level is finished. I've seen enough.
He does have two working arms and legs.  That's a pretty good start at Ikon Park this week.......
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #64 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
He does have two working arms and legs.  That's a pretty good start at Ikon Park this week.......
yes at the opening bounce for sure, not certain for how ling after that
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #65 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
We will pick Marchbank for sure if McGovern is out and then we will put him on Membrey to complete the torture.
That's just the crazy stuff we do to increase the difficulty factor....

Membrey has an ugly habit of feasting on us. Definitely put Cowan or Cinc on him. Or maybe even Newey... anyone but Marchbank (if he replaces Gov... hopefully Gov comes up).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #66 –
You won't want to hear or read what Daniel Hoyne has to say this week about us and StK.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #67 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
He does have two working arms and legs.  That's a pretty good start at Ikon Park this week.......

As long as they are upright, erect and breathing that is the selection criteria this week.

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #68 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
You won't want to hear or read what Daniel Hoyne has to say this week about us and StK.

I haven't seen it but I imagine Hoyne is using historical data to predict an outcome.  He should realise that matches yet to be played are completely independent from what has happened in the past and virtually any result is possible in a game of footy.  Personnel, preparation and mindset will determine the outcome.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #69 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I haven't seen it but I imagine Hoyne is using historical data to predict an outcome.  He should realise that matches yet to be played are completely independent from what has happened in the past and virtually any result is possible in a game of footy.  Personnel, preparation and mindset will determine the outcome.
We will see, I will paste what he said after the game.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #70 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I haven't seen it but I imagine Hoyne is using historical data to predict an outcome.  He should realise that matches yet to be played are completely independent from what has happened in the past and virtually any result is possible in a game of footy.  Personnel, preparation and mindset will determine the outcome.
Agreed, the stats they often present are almost the numerical representation of the gambler's fallacy.

Personally, this week is the opportunity for our MC to shine, they'll be more important than the cattle that take the park!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #71 –
Quote from: LP – on
Agreed, the stats they often present are almost the numerical representation of the gambler's fallacy.

Personally, this week is the opportunity for our MC to shine, they'll be more important than the cattle that take the park!
Its not stats, its game style, specific player form and player impact.
They also pointed out on The Front Bar last night that we haven't won a last round match since 2013. Voss and boys needs to fix that this weekend.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #72 –
Listening to it now.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #73 –
Stats are only ever a measure of the past.
They can be used as a guide, but the unpredictable nature of football and the constant changes (to rules, game styles etc), the development and falling away of players (sometimes within a game) means they are unreliable as a future predictor.

Now factor in things like travel, weather, injury and illness, fatigue etc and you're struggling to pick a winner.
If past efforts were accurate predictors there would never be an 'upset'.

Re: AFL Rd 24 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #74 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Its not stats, its game style, specific player form and player impact.
They also pointed out on The Front Bar last night that we haven't won a last round match since 2013. Voss and boys needs to fix that this weekend.
the statistic that shows we haven't won this match is flawed.

I.e.  in 2013 we needed that win to finish 9th against Port Adelaide and take that finals spot. 

In most years after 2013 the queue was in the rack.  Last year that cost us nothing against gws and we fielded a second string line up.  In my recent memory 2022 was the first year we needed to win in round 23 to make finals, and we fell short but missed on percentage against a team that won a flag a year later.

Every other year is effectively irrelevant since 2013.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson