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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #345 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
In theory, Kemp is a good sub.

However, when you have the small forwards we have who will be non-contributors, you'd be better off starting kemp.....or cincotta...or anyone.

Overall i think our team balance is about right, i just dislike our forwardline/bench.

Brisbane beat us last year because of their smalls, not their talls. We helped lose the game by going in too tall last time.
We need to pressure their smalls/runners We need to hold them accountable. Someone like Cincotta does exactly that.
Cincotta on the bench is our way of saying to Brisbane ‘there will be a late change, you just have to work out who it will be’, no way he doesn’t play
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #346 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
In theory, Kemp is a good sub.

However, when you have the small forwards we have who will be non-contributors, you'd be better off starting kemp.....or cincotta...or anyone.

Overall i think our team balance is about right, i just dislike our forwardline/bench.

Brisbane beat us last year because of their smalls, not their talls. We helped lose the game by going in too tall last time.
We need to pressure their smalls/runners We need to hold them accountable. Someone like Cincotta does exactly that.
we did not go in too tall last time. 

Put our talls against them it was even.  Most of our smalls were garbage last year.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #347 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
we did not go in too tall last time. 

Put our talls against them it was even.  Most of our smalls were garbage last year.
Too tall and/or too slow and/or not enough pressure on the ball

Pittonet+TDK
Weitering, McGovern, marchbank (instead of kemp!)
McKay, Charlie

Cripps
Cerra
Hewett
Kennedy as the sub

Thats 11 players who wouldn't be catching 90% of players in the AFL who played in the prelim.

This year is Young for Marchbank (which is a better matchup - Marchy was undersized without a matchup)
TDK plays forward instead of Charlie. So we are 1 tall less, but better matchups height wise.
Also Kennedy as a sub/small last year, is more of a tall this year, allowing us to play a true small in his place.

I still think we are too slow and would ideally swap out Cerra who is slow, but moreso is unfit and will become slower for Cincotta.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #348 –
Yep too slow.  Not enough blokes that tackle with intent.  Surely Cinch and Lord play, at least they tackle and run.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #349 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Too tall and/or too slow and/or not enough pressure on the ball

Pittonet+TDK
Weitering, McGovern, marchbank (instead of kemp!)
McKay, Charlie

Cripps
Cerra
Hewett
Kennedy as the sub

Thats 11 players who wouldn't be catching 90% of players in the AFL who played in the prelim.

This year is Young for Marchbank (which is a better matchup - Marchy was undersized without a matchup)
TDK plays forward instead of Charlie. So we are 1 tall less, but better matchups height wise.
Also Kennedy as a sub/small last year, is more of a tall this year, allowing us to play a true small in his place.

I still think we are too slow and would ideally swap out Cerra who is slow, but moreso is unfit and will become slower for Cincotta.
check the stats.  Forget the rucks for moment, but tell me, why were our smalls no where near the footy? 

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2023/031920230923.html

Must be because they were tired because of the 0 extra talls we carried. 

Let's face it we lost at the selection table dropping owies.

The reality is cripps didn't play well and that was that.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #350 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
check the stats.  Forget the rucks for moment, but tell me, why were our smalls no where near the footy? 

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2023/031920230923.html

Must be because they were tired because of the 0 extra talls we carried. 

Let's face it we lost at the selection table dropping owies.

The reality is cripps didn't play well and that was that.

Not sure what you are attempting to show me.
We had 12 players with 12 touches or less.

We were smashed all over the ground.
They ran around us like we were witches hats.
We burst out of the gates and barely got a score afterwards

We couldn't catch anything that night.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #351 –
Not sure what fans what. We are in a do or die interstate final against last years runners up. Do you really think the likes of lord carroll moir binns can get the job done?
Yes we are risking heaps by ‘maybe’ bringing in underdone players or players with long histories of soft tissue injuries but the reality is we fans dont ever really know the condition of injured players and how ready they actuallt are and our only chance of causing an upset is if our best players perform close to their best not running with 4 kids with less then 10 games.

Its our only chance and i understand the need to take risks to have a tiny chance to cause an upset.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #352 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Not sure what fans what. We are in a do or die interstate final against last years runners up. Do you really think the likes of lord carroll moir binns can get the job done?
Yes we are risking heaps by ‘maybe’ bringing in underdone players or players with long histories of soft tissue injuries but the reality is we fans dont ever really know the condition of injured players and how ready they actuallt are and our only chance of causing an upset is if our best players perform close to their best not running with 4 kids with less then 10 games.

Its our only chance and i understand the need to take risks to have a tiny chance to cause an upset.

Cincotta or all of Durdin/Motlop/Fantasia ?
Cincotta or Cerra?

Its not about kids.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #353 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Cincotta or all of Durdin/Motlop/Fantasia ?
Cincotta or Cerra?

Its not about kids.

What about the other 19-20 selections or just focus on 1-2 you dont agree with.
Surely they know a hell of a lot more then us.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #354 –
I wonder why footy clubs insist on naming teams on the Thursday evening that are nothing like the line ups that run out on game day.  Footy fans seem to be the only ones taken in.

Unless the club is prepared to wear a fine, the only thing we can be sure of is that 23 of the 26 players named will run out on Saturday.

Hopefully, that 23 will include De Koning and we’ll be able to match up on and apply genuine pressure to Brisbane’s talls.

If we get the combination right, and Jack Russell has got the rehab right, I reckon we can do the same kind of number on Brisbane as Geelong did on Port.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #355 –
Quote from: shawny – on
What about the other 19-20 selections or just focus on 1-2 you dont agree with.
Surely they know a hell of a lot more then us.

What kind of comment is that?
You want me to go through every player picked and say I agree?
I've already commented on the rest....and focused on where i think the issues are.

My question to you was asking are you happy with the team?

Why complain about people complaining about kids?

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #356 –
Quote from: shawny – on
What about the other 19-20 selections or just focus on 1-2 you dont agree with.
Surely they know a hell of a lot more then us.
Bite your tongue Shawny. At last count there were 893 coaches on here who know more.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #357 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Not sure what fans what. We are in a do or die interstate final against last years runners up. Do you really think the likes of lord carroll moir binns can get the job done?
Yes we are risking heaps by ‘maybe’ bringing in underdone players or players with long histories of soft tissue injuries but the reality is we fans dont ever really know the condition of injured players and how ready they actuallt are and our only chance of causing an upset is if our best players perform close to their best not running with 4 kids with less then 10 games.

Its our only chance and i understand the need to take risks to have a tiny chance to cause an upset.

Lord, Binns, Moir can because they are fit and in form. Not as if we are playing 23 of those types. They would blend in alot better with the others we have in than non match fit players. No risks needed. Just a fit football team. Our slump started playing half fit, out of form bigger names as you well know. Right now, it is panic button selection.

I prefer Cincotta, Lord, Binns and Moir to Durdin, Motlop and Fantasia and a half fit Cerra.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #358 –
Quote from: shawny – on
What about the other 19-20 selections or just focus on 1-2 you dont agree with.
Surely they know a hell of a lot more then us.

You'd like to think they know more but we wonder. We also watch footy so we have a good idea what is happening with the ultimate proof............on field performance. Voss/MC took the weak way out tonight.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #359 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Not sure what you are attempting to show me.
We had 12 players with 12 touches or less.

We were smashed all over the ground.
They ran around us like we were witches hats.
We burst out of the gates and barely got a score afterwards

We couldn't catch anything that night.
reckon the week off played a bigger factor, but the point is that our talls vs theirs weren't the issue. 

You know what the issue is?  A small forward like who contributes 6 possession from 70% game time not hitting the scoreboard laying 0 tackles.  In itself not an issue, but when your other smalls have similar numbers, that's the problem.

That's why the rest struggle.  Not because of the talls who have typical tall stats.  You play a man down (sometimes 2) carrying a player like that.  Last week against the saints it happened with durdin, motlop, Fantasia and owies and we only lost by a couple of points because combined they gave us a 2 player game. 

That's the problem.  Not the talls.  We carry no more than others, and don't tell me the other teams have blistering run in their mids.  They all have a few one paced players who aren't quick but the only ones who have non contributors end up putting in a performance like port did tonight.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson