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Re: Alan Jones

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Mr Diddy

Re: Alan Jones

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
What drives this sicko behaviour to do this stuff?
Not sure about the sexual stuff, but the lack of self control to commit these offences would be a sure sign of narcissistic traits, they do it because they think they can and that they aren't defined by the same rules as other mortals, see Trump!

AFL has seen plenty of examples of this, Hird, Carey, etc., etc., and yes subjectively it seems to be more prevalent in certain career paths.
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Re: Alan Jones

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Rolf Harris, Zig from Zig and Zag, the father from the TV show Hey Dad and now Alan Jones...what is with all these creeps exploiting kids at young ages via their trusted nice guy show business personas?
What drives this sicko behaviour to do this stuff?

Sociopathy or in clinical terms Anti Social Personality Disorder (ASPD). A sinister mental health disorder. Narcissism on steroids, they see themselves as the centre of the universe with their needs, wants and opinions as the supreme authority/all important.

These slithering reptiles have absolutely no regard for their victims, being devoid of empathy, compassion, remorse and common decency - their victims are experienced and seen as only 'things' for their pleasure/use. It's compulsive. As hard as it is to comprehend, these creatures do not experience any regret, guilt or shame when confronted by the suffering their actions have caused. In fact, when caught and held to account (accountability is their enemy) they often see themselves as the victims!

Combine all that with money and power and you have a bulldozer of exploitive, revolting behaviour delivering trauma and suffering to their countless victims, often for many years.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Alan Jones

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Rolf Harris, Zig from Zig and Zag, the father from the TV show Hey Dad and now Alan Jones...what is with all these creeps exploiting kids at young ages via their trusted nice guy show business personas?
What drives this sicko behaviour to do this stuff?

I have only one explanation, and thats the cycle perpetuating itself.

I.e.  These people were abused as youngsters by people who were themselves, etc etc etc.

Its like a cycle of domestic violence, where people perpetuate the cycle based on learned behaviours.

Thats not to absolve, I think its hideous, but there has to be something in it that makes it recur, otherwise it would have dissapeared millenia ago.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Alan Jones

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Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Rolf Harris, Zig from Zig and Zag, the father from the TV show Hey Dad and now Alan Jones...what is with all these creeps exploiting kids at young ages via their trusted nice guy show business personas?
What drives this sicko behaviour to do this stuff?

I have only one explanation, and thats the cycle perpetuating itself.

I.e.  These people were abused as youngsters by people who were themselves, etc etc etc.

Its like a cycle of domestic violence, where people perpetuate the cycle based on learned behaviours.

Thats not to absolve, I think its hideous, but there has to be something in it that makes it recur, otherwise it would have dissapeared millenia ago.

That’s a popular explanation but whilst it may be true for some I doubt it’s true for all.
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Re: Alan Jones

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Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Rolf Harris, Zig from Zig and Zag, the father from the TV show Hey Dad and now Alan Jones...what is with all these creeps exploiting kids at young ages via their trusted nice guy show business personas?
What drives this sicko behaviour to do this stuff?

I have only one explanation, and thats the cycle perpetuating itself.

I.e.  These people were abused as youngsters by people who were themselves, etc etc etc.

Its like a cycle of domestic violence, where people perpetuate the cycle based on learned behaviours.

Thats not to absolve, I think its hideous, but there has to be something in it that makes it recur, otherwise it would have dissapeared millenia ago.

Sorry 3 Leos, but nuh. Most abused people as kids actually don't pass it on. Enough do for it to be a statistic, but not an inevitable reason.

Many victims of abuse either deal with it (therapy), lock it inside (later disaster/emotional collapse), act out angrily or self-medicate with some addiction to numb and distract themselves from the trauma. Anecdotally, I know plenty of folks who experienced abuse as kids and did not pass on that abuse (for a variety of reasons).

In fact most narcissists/sociopaths are so due to brain injury and/or faulty brain wiring (put bluntly) and/or an horrendous upbringing.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Alan Jones

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Yes, some narcissists attempt to lessen their sanctions by claiming that they were victims.

Most victims wouldn’t dream of inflicting what they suffered onto others.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Quote from: DJC – on
Yes, some narcissists attempt to lessen their sanctions by claiming that they were victims.

Most victims wouldn’t dream of inflicting what they suffered onto others.

Spot on, David. Most victims know how awful it felt and, as you say, wouldn't dream of inflicting such pain on others.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: DJC – on
Yes, some narcissists attempt to lessen their sanctions by claiming that they were victims.

Most victims wouldn’t dream of inflicting what they suffered onto others.

Spot on, David. Most victims know how awful it felt and, as you say, wouldn't dream of inflicting such pain on others.

Not sure this is true. I watch a hell of a lot of crime docos and a extremely high percentage (reckon its over 95%) of serial killers, mass murderers etc have had a shocking upbringing. Obviously it never excuses them of what they did but there is no doubt there is a strong link with these sorts of criminals and how they were treated raised as a child and into early adulthood.    

Re: Alan Jones

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Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on


I have only one explanation, and thats the cycle perpetuating itself.

I.e.  These people were abused as youngsters by people who were themselves, etc etc etc.

Its like a cycle of domestic violence, where people perpetuate the cycle based on learned behaviours.

Thats not to absolve, I think its hideous, but there has to be something in it that makes it recur, otherwise it would have dissapeared millenia ago.

Sorry 3 Leos, but nuh. Most abused people as kids actually don't pass it on. Enough do for it to be a statistic, but not an inevitable reason.

Many victims of abuse either deal with it (therapy), lock it inside (later disaster/emotional collapse), act out angrily or self-medicate with some addiction to numb and distract themselves from the trauma. Anecdotally, I know plenty of folks who experienced abuse as kids and did not pass on that abuse (for a variety of reasons).

In fact most narcissists/sociopaths are so due to brain injury and/or faulty brain wiring (put bluntly) and/or an horrendous upbringing.
you don't think that sort of behaviour can be normalised for people?

That's the argument used against violence in video games.

Shrugs I guess I'm off base?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Alan Jones

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I think we need to be wary of conflating two separate situations : perpetuating and learning abusive behavior is not the same as shamelessly taking advantage of power asymmetries.