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Who is in our best 22?

1 - Jack Silvagni
[ 7 ] (1.6%)
2 - Lachie Cowan
[ 13 ] (3%)
3 - Jesse Motlop
[ 11 ] (2.5%)
4 - Oliver Hollands
[ 13 ] (3%)
5 - Adam Cerra
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
6 - Zac Williams
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
7 - Jagga Smith
[ 15 ] (3.4%)
8 - Lachie Fogarty
[ 13 ] (3%)
9 - Patrick Cripps
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
10 - Harry McKay
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
11 - Mitch McGovern
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
12 - Tom De Koning
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
13 - Blake Acres
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
14 - Orazio Fantasia
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
15 - Sam Docherty
[ 15 ] (3.4%)
16 - Ben Camporeale
[ 0 ] (0%)
17 - Brodie Kemp
[ 16 ] (3.6%)
18 - Sam Walsh
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
19 - Corey Durdin
[ 2 ] (0.5%)
20 - Elijah Hollands
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
21 - Lucas Camporeale
[ 0 ] (0%)
22 - Harry O'Farrell
[ 0 ] (0%)
23 - Jacob Weitering
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
24 - Nick Newman
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
25 - Jaxon Binns
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
26 - Nick Haynes
[ 14 ] (3.2%)
27 - Marc Pittonet
[ 0 ] (0%)
28 - Harry Charleson
[ 0 ] (0%)
29 - George Hewitt
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
30 - Charlie Curnow
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
31 - Harry Lemmey
[ 0 ] (0%)
33 - Lewis Young
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
34 - Rob Monahan
[ 0 ] (0%)
35 - Billy Wilson
[ 0 ] (0%)
36 - Cooper Lord
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
37 - Jordan Boyd
[ 12 ] (2.7%)
39 - Alex Cincotta
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
40 - Hudson O'Keeffe
[ 0 ] (0%)
41 - Matt Duffy
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
42 - Adam Saad
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
43 - Ashton Moir
[ 5 ] (1.1%)
46 - Matthew Cottrell
[ 11 ] (2.5%)

Total Members Voted: 20

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Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #15 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
At the fear of shooting Bambi, one of our strengths over the past 2 years has been two gut running wingmen, moving from  defense  to attack.  Is a 31 year old coming off a knee reco going to give us the same pace and coverage as Acres and O Holland (throw in Cottrell as the 3rd wheel)? I still tend to think that Doc's best position is providing experience and steadiness in our backline....... rotated off the bench.

If Docherty gets a game, it will be as a defender or midfielder/forward.  He may spend a bit of time on the wing if the gut running wingmen need a spell but he's nowhere near a first choice wingman.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #16 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
At the fear of shooting Bambi, one of our strengths over the past 2 years has been two gut running wingmen, moving from  defense  to attack.  Is a 31 year old coming off a knee reco going to give us the same pace and coverage as Acres and O Holland (throw in Cottrell as the 3rd wheel)? I still tend to think that Doc's best position is providing experience and steadiness in our backline....... rotated off the bench.

If Docherty gets a game, it will be as a defender or midfielder/forward.  He may spend a bit of time on the wing if the gut running wingmen need a spell but he's nowhere near a first choice wingman.

Might he actually play forward a la Kennedy type role?

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #17 –
Quote from: tex – on
Quote from: DJC – on


If Docherty gets a game, it will be as a defender or midfielder/forward.  He may spend a bit of time on the wing if the gut running wingmen need a spell but he's nowhere near a first choice wingman.

Might he actually play forward a la Kennedy type role?

The only issue when looking at Doc as a forward is, whose place take he take; who does he keep out?

Acres and Cottrell are easily first choice wingers... each can run all day and get to important contests from deep in defence to deep in attack.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #18 –
I think Doherty will play on the wing, he gets plenty of ball and delivers well.
Down back he is more of a rebounder and can get a bit loose and play off his man too much IMHO.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #19 –
I think what we're seeing is that whatever position Docherty plays there will be strong competition for that spot.
Docherty has to be better than that competition, and as they are mostly younger and developing, that may not be an easy task.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #20 –
This exercise shows one thing - assuming we can keep most of the players out of the medical room, we now have more depth than I have seen for 30 years!

Not that long ago, we were asking 'how does he get a game?' - now, it's 'how can I fit him in?'
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #21 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
The only issue when looking at Doc as a forward is, whose place take he take; who does he keep out?

Acres and Cottrell are easily first choice wingers... each can run all day and get to important contests from deep in defence to deep in attack.

Or you could look at it from the perspective of who is good enough to keep Doc out of the 22.

Doc isn’t in my best 22 but I’m far from confident that I’ve made the right decision 🤔

I often think back to the chain of possessions in THAT win over Melbourne; Weiters to Ollie to Doc to Acres (with Gov running interference) and goal!  Five players whose footy nous, awareness, decision-making, and execution snatched victory.  If Doc can play at that level, he is best 22.  If he can’t recapture that athleticism and form, he’s a depth player at best.

Knowing Doc’s determination and fanatical preparation, I won’t be surprised if he’s in the squad for Round 1.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #22 –
Here's a question....
I seem to remember there are certain restrictions regarding VFL matches and participation.
Is there a restriction on the number of AFL listed players that can play for the clubs VFL team each week?

If there is not....good luck making the VFL side if you're not on the Carlton senior list.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #23 –
There use to be some match day restrictions but I'm not sure they exist anymore, I think the limits were lifted back when the AFL clubs joined as standalone.

There are list management restrictions for clubs aligned to AFL clubs, non-aligned clubs have no restrictions.

There are Salary Cap restrictions for both aligned and non-aligned, and there are limits on how many games some types of top up / development players can be used during a season.

Most of the rules seem aimed at preventing AFL club's gaming the system.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Here's a question....
I seem to remember there are certain restrictions regarding VFL matches and participation.
Is there a restriction on the number of AFL listed players that can play for the clubs VFL team each week?

If there is not....good luck making the VFL side if you're not on the Carlton senior list.

The only restriction is during finals when players have to have played a set number of VFL games to qualify.

I think that we fielded teams with eleven AFL listed players a couple of times last season.  We should exceed that this season after the cull of injury-prone players.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #25 –
I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of regulations about how many u22s and the 23rd player as well, but they apply universally. I know clubs are limited on how often a player can be selected as the 23rd, and I think the 23rd must be u20.

Again, these rules are mostly in place to stop AFL clubs gaming the selection of Development and / or Academy players.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #26 –
B: Haynes  Weitering  Newman
HB: Docherty  Silvagni  Saad
C: Walsh     Cripps    Acres
HF: Cottrell   Harry   Hollands
F: Williams   Charlie  Kemp
R: TDK  Hewett Cerra
IC: McGovern  Fogarty Smith Boyd

Dont think they will line up like that but if Walshy;s flat form continues then would like him on the wing until he finds form.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #27 –
Quote from: pinot – on
B: Haynes  Weitering  Newman
HB: Docherty  Silvagni  Saad
C: Walsh     Cripps    Acres
HF: Cottrell   Harry   Hollands
F: Williams   Charlie  Kemp
R: TDK  Hewett Cerra
IC: McGovern  Fogarty Smith Boyd

Dont think they will line up like that but if Walshy;s flat form continues then would like him on the wing until he finds form.

Didn't you say 'Binns was a lock for the wing'?
Changed your mind?

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #28 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: pinot – on
B: Haynes  Weitering  Newman
HB: Docherty  Silvagni  Saad
C: Walsh     Cripps    Acres
HF: Cottrell   Harry   Hollands
F: Williams   Charlie  Kemp
R: TDK  Hewett Cerra
IC: McGovern  Fogarty Smith Boyd

Dont think they will line up like that but if Walshy;s flat form continues then would like him on the wing until he finds form.

Didn't you say 'Binns was a lock for the wing'?
Changed your mind?

He is a lock but thats what I think - but in terms of best 22 today thats it any other questions?

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #29 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Didn't you say 'Binns was a lock for the wing'?
Changed your mind?

He is a lock but thats what I think - but in terms of best 22 today thats it any other questions?

*scratches head*
Your answers seem to create further questions, not answer them.

Maybe someone else can point out the logic there.