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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #30
Personally, I don't care if we're playing an U/10 girls team, I object on principle to any complacency, not from supporters and most certainly not from the club. We have shown some good things over the last couple of years, but we have not shown an ability to constantly crush weaker opposition. There's a legitimate tipping point when reasonable measured confidence tips into arrogance and entitlement, thinking that if we just show up, we'll get the job done. We have not earned the right to think that.
Hawthorn teams (including the current one) have made careers of being arrogant and entitled. The current Hollywood Hawks are the best there's ever been.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #31
]Hawthorn teams (including the current one) have made careers of being arrogant and entitled. The current Hollywood Hawks are the best there's ever been.

Maybe, but more often than not, they back it up and walk the walk. 3 flags in the last decade, plus a terrific 2nd half of 2024.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #32
]Hawthorn teams (including the current one) have made careers of being arrogant and entitled. The current Hollywood Hawks are the best there's ever been.

Maybe, but more often than not, they back it up and walk the walk. 3 flags in the last decade, plus a terrific 2nd half of 2024.

I'm tipping 2025 aint gonna be so good for them, their inflated egos will see to that.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #33
]Hawthorn teams (including the current one) have made careers of being arrogant and entitled. The current Hollywood Hawks are the best there's ever been.

Maybe, but more often than not, they back it up and walk the walk. 3 flags in the last decade, plus a terrific 2nd half of 2024.

From a laughing stock to the most successful team of the last 50 years, despite merger proposals and Jeff Kennett’s sometimes wayward leadership.

While I don’t think they’re resting on their laurels or expecting that recent past success will get them by, that winning culture is in their footy DNA.

We’re the opposite with 30 years of mediocre performances in our footy DNA.  Yes, few of our players were around when we were rubbish but the playing group’s finals success is limited and that’s what we need to address.

Pumping Richmond in Round 1 would be a good start but not if we fall in a hole when we come up against a contender or pretender.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #34


Maybe, but more often than not, they back it up and walk the walk. 3 flags in the last decade, plus a terrific 2nd half of 2024.

From a laughing stock to the most successful team of the last 50 years, despite merger proposals and Jeff Kennett’s sometimes wayward leadership.

While I don’t think they’re resting on their laurels or expecting that recent past success will get them by, that winning culture is in their footy DNA.

We’re the opposite with 30 years of mediocre performances in our footy DNA.  Yes, few of our players were around when we were rubbish but the playing group’s finals success is limited and that’s what we need to address.

Pumping Richmond in Round 1 would be a good start but not if we fall in a hole when we come up against a contender or pretender.
Winning premierships and success has been in our DNA also, premierships were expected not hoped for. Unfortunately, salary cap cheating, poor recruitment and poor coaching appointments/sackings put paid to all that was built up over decades resulting in 16 premierships and none in 30 years.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #35
Just get out there a pump the feckin Tiggers!!

Sorry, I’ve had a couple.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #36
Winning premierships and success has been in our DNA also, premierships were expected not hoped for. Unfortunately, salary cap cheating, poor recruitment and poor coaching appointments/sackings put paid to all that was built up over decades resulting in 16 premierships and none in 30 years.

Yes, we were rubbish when I was at primary school but we were the most successful team from secondary school until 1995.  Hawthorn completely eclipsed us from then on and that’s why they’re my least favourite team … along with their choice of coach and his tactics when Fev was closing in on 100 goals.

But you’re right, our demise is of our own making.

Starting the season with a win is essential but we don’t have to pants Richmond.  They could play out of their skins - as often happens with blockbuster games between traditional rivals.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #37
Just get out there a pump the feckin Tiggers!!

Sorry, I’ve had a couple.

i love posts like this. oh ya cookie !

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #38
Just get out there a pump the feckin Tiggers!!

Sorry, I’ve had a couple.

Have a couple more! 

The preservative effects of alcoholic beverages are well known 😇
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #39
There's arrogance and then there's arrogance.

Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning.  If we don't win this win one, its not because competition is tight it's because we are no where near a flag and we are a mid table team.


Thats not to say we will or should win. We shouldn't be worried about this tigers outfit.  The only thing to fear against them is the unknown.  They'll be plucky for two maybe 3 quarters and we will demolish them in quarter 4.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #40
Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning.
Possibly, but I think the chance of that happening is remote.

My experience of footy at all levels is that known unknowns frequently slay giants.

Firstly, this seems to occur mostly because AFL is an intensely tactical and rigidly structured game, and being in ignorance of a fresh opponent simply through the lack of previous exposure(they are unknown until otherwise exposed) is a very dangerous position. We can't even study them against other known knowns because we are the first!

Secondly, experienced players improve incrementally, newbies can improve dynamically, Nthmond will potentially change dramatically across the season. They won't be consistent week to week, that makes them a dangerous opponent, hard to plan for, it's not just about ability or skill.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #41
There's arrogance and then there's arrogance.

Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning.  If we don't win this win one, its not because competition is tight it's because we are no where near a flag and we are a mid table team.


Thats not to say we will or should win. We shouldn't be worried about this tigers outfit.  The only thing to fear against them is the unknown.  They'll be plucky for two maybe 3 quarters and we will demolish them in quarter 4.
Plus Tigers have Prestia out for round 1 and I think I read 5 x ACL's plus Lalor broken jaw 50/50 and Im not sure where Lynch is at as he also had concussion issues. If we had all those ACLs we would be Lynching the high performance staff(pardon the pun).

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #42
There's arrogance and then there's arrogance.

Richmond have the sort of team that are a clear chance of going a whole season without winning.  If we don't win this win one, its not because competition is tight it's because we are no where near a flag and we are a mid table team.


Thats not to say we will or should win. We shouldn't be worried about this tigers outfit.  The only thing to fear against them is the unknown.  They'll be plucky for two maybe 3 quarters and we will demolish them in quarter 4.
Plus Tigers have Prestia out for round 1 and I think I read 5 x ACL's plus Lalor broken jaw 50/50 and Im not sure where Lynch is at as he also had concussion issues. If we had all those ACLs we would be Lynching the high performance staff(pardon the pun).

Balta is a huge out for the Tigers.  Apart from always seeming to play well against us in whatever role he happens to be in, he is a handy back up ruck.

We can’t complain about our injuries this season; other teams have heaps and moving on our perennially walking wounded has helped to create a more healthy list.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #43

Plus Tigers have Prestia out for round 1 and I think I read 5 x ACL's plus Lalor broken jaw 50/50 and Im not sure where Lynch is at as he also had concussion issues. If we had all those ACLs we would be Lynching the high performance staff(pardon the pun).

Balta is a huge out for the Tigers.  Apart from always seeming to play well against us in whatever role he happens to be in, he is a handy back up ruck.

We can’t complain about our injuries this season; other teams have heaps and moving on our perennially walking wounded has helped to create a more healthy list.
Forgot about Balta, he is a big loss as you say and we have no excuses especially if Curnow and Walsh get up for the game.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #44


Balta is a huge out for the Tigers.  Apart from always seeming to play well against us in whatever role he happens to be in, he is a handy back up ruck.

We can’t complain about our injuries this season; other teams have heaps and moving on our perennially walking wounded has helped to create a more healthy list.
Forgot about Balta, he is a big loss as you say and we have no excuses especially if Curnow and Walsh get up for the game.

Vossy said Walshy will be in. Curnow hasn't been ruled out, yet, but will be right for Round 2. He won't play Round 1.