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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #150
We were terrible in the match sim agains the Saints
I felt we were clinical and cohesive in the hit out against the Giants.
Give it up, fans were sucked in by practice match rubbish, it's meaningless.

Nek minit!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #151
Spin spin spin spin spin.

We are a team aspiring for a flag and gave up a 41 point lead.  Richmond could give the flag a nudge this year and id still be annoyed by the manner in which that game played out.  For reference the GWS loss in Canberra was the most similar result to this from last season.

That was a failure for the same reasons but at least we had some horrific luck to go with that. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #152
Spin spin spin spin spin.

We are a team aspiring for a flag and gave up a 41 point lead.  Richmond could give the flag a nudge this year and id still be annoyed by the manner in which that game played out.  For reference the GWS loss in Canberra was the most similar result to this from last season.

That was a failure for the same reasons but at least we had some horrific luck to go with that. 

It's not spin.
It's perspection and expectation.
I understand why you're hurting a bit more than I am.
Go back and read the pre-game thread.



Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #153
Worst loss in 30 years according to Riley Beveridge from AFL.com
Watched it again and it's more terrible second time around, the lack of football skills and nous coupled with zero idea about how to deliver the ball forward. So many contesting errors where we handed the ball back to Richmond with stupidity and lack of effort.


Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #154
Beveridge is just parroting social media.
I'm sure the media will give a nice balanced perspective. ::)
Avoid the footy shows this week. ;)

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #155
I think we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but hopefully it’s an early and not too costly wake up call. All the key numbers are in our favour. More :
Shots on goal,
Marks I50
Disposals
I50’s
Free kicks
CP
UCP

Less turnovers etc.

We should be embarrassed, but after 1 game the sky is not falling. The successful clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong are calm, measured and methodical in their decision making. We need to be the same.


Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #156
I think we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but hopefully it’s an early and not too costly wake up call. All the key numbers are in our favour. More :
Shots on goal,
Marks I50
Disposals
I50’s
Free kicks
CP
UCP

Less turnovers etc.

We should be embarrassed, but after 1 game the sky is not falling. The successful clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong are calm, measured and methodical in their decision making. We need to be the same.



Line coaches did their job imo.
Dominated the game just couldnt score small forwards are not up to it. The ball hit the grass plenty of times and the four useless midgets couldnt make it count.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #157
Line coaches did their job imo.
Dominated the game just couldnt score small forwards are not up to it. The ball hit the grass plenty of times and the four useless midgets couldnt make it count.

The forward structure needs a bit of work.
No Curnow and with Harry doing some rucking it lacked its main weapons.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the rumours were right and Harry wasn't 100%

We need to look at the small forwards and ditch a few of them for more medium types with a bit of a defensive edge. One is probably enough...although which one is the question.

Silvagni showed enough to end the backline experiment and keep him as the third tall.
Open it up and create a few more avenues to goal rather than creating ugly packs 10-20 metres out.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #158
We should be embarrassed, but after 1 game the sky is not falling. The successful clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong are calm, measured and methodical in their decision making. We need to be the same.
Perhaps they are that way because they accept the flaws in a game plan, review and revise tactics and expectations accordingly, they are also far less formulaic. You know I'm definitely no Scott or Mitchell booster, but they get credit for innovation, on and off the field.

We seem to be more of a blunt instrument, a sledgehammer, if we don't break through we just go with a bigger swing next time. It appears we aren't learning anything along the way.

Maybe that is the Voss weakness, perhaps he is a slow learner or too stubborn for his own good, perhaps it is those around him, in hindsight I think Ratts, Bolton and Teague or those around them were the same. It appears to be "a Carlton thing", maybe Cook isn't even enough to break the mould!

Last season I worried that the way we finished the season would empower the "Bad Old Carlton", the Carlton that through indifference thinks it can still buy it's way out of trouble, and my fear for opening round was that if we failed to deliver a stable result it would stoke the fires, it appears to be the case.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #159
Silvagni showed enough to end the backline experiment and keep him as the third tall.
Open it up and create a few more avenues to goal rather than creating ugly packs 10-20 metres out.
I was quite cynical through the pre-season but credit where it is due, in D50 SoJ did better than OK, not too bad at all for a 1st up effort. We still miss Newman though, badly!

I read some calling for SoJ to return to F50, but if Charlie returns any permanent presence in F50 is over for SoJ, fans need to accept it.

On F50, it appears to me we have wasted much of Kemp's early career stubbornly playing him as a vanilla defender, if he'd had 2 or 3 seasons under his belt by now our F50 would be in a much better place, and we should have also been running him more through the Midfield as the move that releases him from the KPP one on one. We aren't making use of Kemp's special attributes.

Nothing our F50 can do will fix players kicking the ball 10m beyond their reach, our basic disposal skills are substandard and have been for a long long time.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #160
Perhaps they are that way because they accept the flaws in a game plan, review and revise tactics and expectations accordingly, they are also far less formulaic. You know I'm definitely no Scott or Mitchell booster, but they get credit for innovation, on and off the field.

We seem to be more of a blunt instrument, a sledgehammer, if we don't break through we just go with a bigger swing next time. It appears we aren't learning anything along the way.

Maybe that is the Voss weakness, perhaps he is a slow learner or too stubborn for his own good, perhaps it is those around him, in hindsight I think Ratts, Bolton and Teague or those around them were the same. It appears to be "a Carlton thing", maybe Cook isn't even enough to break the mould!

Last season I worried that the way we finished the season would empower the "Bad Old Carlton", the Carlton that through indifference thinks it can still buy it's way out of trouble, and my fear for opening round was that if we failed to deliver a stable result it would stoke the fires, it appears to be the case.

It could be coaches, list, 1st round blues, a few moments / errors that were more costly than normal etc. Neither team were great.

This coach and this list (with some changes) showed in the back end of 2023 that they can play 4 quarters of tough, accountable, never say die football. I'm not exactly sure what's happened since then, but it's worthy sports science study for sure IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #161
Perhaps they are that way because they accept the flaws in a game plan, review and revise tactics and expectations accordingly, they are also far less formulaic. You know I'm definitely no Scott or Mitchell booster, but they get credit for innovation, on and off the field.

We seem to be more of a blunt instrument, a sledgehammer, if we don't break through we just go with a bigger swing next time. It appears we aren't learning anything along the way.

Maybe that is the Voss weakness, perhaps he is a slow learner or too stubborn for his own good, perhaps it is those around him, in hindsight I think Ratts, Bolton and Teague or those around them were the same. It appears to be "a Carlton thing", maybe Cook isn't even enough to break the mould!

Last season I worried that the way we finished the season would empower the "Bad Old Carlton", the Carlton that through indifference thinks it can still buy it's way out of trouble, and my fear for opening round was that if we failed to deliver a stable result it would stoke the fires, it appears to be the case.

It could be coaches, list, 1st round blues, a few moments / errors that were more costly than normal etc. Neither team were great.

This coach and this list (with some changes) showed in the back end of 2023 that they can play 4 quarters of tough, accountable, never say die football. I'm not exactly sure what's happened since then, but it's worthy sports science study for sure IMO.

And sports pyschology study. I will just add that since 2023, the game has gotten faster again and our team is slow, that's another factor IMO.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #162

This coach and this list (with some changes) showed in the back end of 2023 that they can play 4 quarters of tough, accountable, never say die football. I'm not exactly sure what's happened since then, but it's worthy sports science study for sure IMO.
It's not sustainable @PaulP, that game style can't get you through a full season, it never will.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #163
And sports pyschology study. I will just add that since 2023, the game has gotten faster again and our team is slow, that's another factor IMO.

Yes I think so too.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #164
There is losing and there is losing. This just made me sick to the stomach.
Voss kept speaking of defence all summer, so were is this defence.
Great move subbing Lord when (yes he was on the ground) Evans stays on, how??? How is this possible

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