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Quote from: Thryleon – on March 14, 2025, 02:09:50 pm

this is going to be horrific.

Dont believe me?  you don't watch football. Hawthorn have played 1 bad game since I want to say May of last year.  They play with a foundation of effort, and a system.  Their players arent amazing, but they make them look good. 

We have played about 3 good one since then and have probably turned up for a half in most of the others.

This is going to be terrible.

Ranking the teams from most wanting to play to do not want to play at all.....Hawks are #1 on the do not want to play list.

We don't match up well against them. Their strengths are our weaknesses.

We will not put in a good effort this week and unless Charlie kicked 8 and singlehandedly wins us the game.

^^

Forget winning.  Move the goalposts to 4 quarters of decent footy.

Quote from: LP – on March 14, 2025, 01:48:33 pm

McGovern is b0rked, that missed set shot post final siren did his head in, not sure who has been taking charge of pre-season finishing / goal kicking.

Harry looked lost, McGovern seemed so scared of having a shot he stayed 80m away from the arc.

Jelly legs is contagious, FFS, somebody invent a vaccine!

I would have rucked Harry and got him into the game and saved Cripps from having to ruck and work his ar$e off.
Cripps might have been handy resting at FF and maybe sneaking a goal or two and maybe both him and TDK down there with Harry rucking might have made the Tigers think a bit more and change what they were doing.
Harry wasnt terrible down forward but he wasnt great either playing on Blight and Miller and the delivery was the usual bomb it on his head and hope for the best rubbish.
Newman being out is a bigger loss than most think, he is efficient with the ball and adds a bit of calm. Haynes is the opposite imo, average by foot to the point he cant hit targets or kicks the ball too wide forcing teammates to have to find the ball and then getting trapped and the fumbling of Haynes both with his groundwork and marking is something you dont associate with Newman.

What can we do to improve for next week? A good question after something so diabolical.
[1] Will White wasn't outstanding the VFL practice match, but he has more idea than Motlop does at the moment, Frankie Evans has to go back; he was invisible. Fantasia in? I can't believe I'm considering that, but he has been good in the pre-season. Fog? He isn't back to his best yet, but any means.
[2] Charlie is a must, even half fit. He moves about and can do the impossible. Kemp? Probably should make way, after yesterday. I'd like him to play, but we need more smarts from him. Moir? Not a 4-quarter player, but he can also do the unusual.
[3] We badly need to work on our ruck setup. if we are predictable to our opponents, we're half way to losing. I'd certainly have H spend more time against Hawthorn in the ruck, as it might get him into the game.
[4] If we have the same lack of endeavour and lack of desire, we're lost. Really need the win at all cost play we had back in 2023.
[5] Have we been thinking of ways of disrupting Hawthorn's ball movement? I hope so.
[6] What to do about Haynes? The obvious choice is Young, but he hasn't really been that impressive. He simply wouldn't be as poor as Haynes was.

Young playing next week is not the answer. 1. He's still no good and 2. Dawks have a midget forward line with only Chol as the lone tall. We need speed to beat these flogs. Oh and about a 200% increase in form

Quote from: rocky – on March 14, 2025, 08:57:46 pm

Young playing next week is not the answer. 1. He's still no good and 2. Dawks have a midget forward line with only Chol as the lone tall. We need speed to beat these flogs. Oh and about a 200% increase in form

Haw are elite ball users, around the ground and in front of goal, EOS. Conversely, we are the absolute opposite.

Quote from: rocky – on March 14, 2025, 08:57:46 pm

Young playing next week is not the answer. 1. He's still no good and 2. Dawks have a midget forward line with only Chol as the lone tall. We need speed to beat these flogs. Oh and about a 200% increase in form

Haw are elite ball users, around the ground and in front of goal, EOS. Conversely, we are the absolute opposite.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 14, 2025, 09:03:09 pm

Haw are elite ball users, around the ground and in front of goal, EOS. Conversely, we are the absolute opposite.

Their pace and carry is also something we will struggle with, they dont stop and run in waves and even a quick team like the bombers can't contain them tonight.
The small ball forward line is also awkward to match up on and I was happy to see Boyd play in the VFL and do ok so losing a tall or two down back might help us.

Quote from: crashlander – on March 14, 2025, 07:53:46 pm

What can we do to improve for next week? A good question after something so diabolical.
[1] Will White wasn't outstanding the VFL practice match, but he has more idea than Motlop does at the moment, Frankie Evans has to go back; he was invisible. Fantasia in? I can't believe I'm considering that, but he has been good in the pre-season. Fog? He isn't back to his best yet, but any means.
[2] Charlie is a must, even half fit. He moves about and can do the impossible. Kemp? Probably should make way, after yesterday. I'd like him to play, but we need more smarts from him. Moir? Not a 4-quarter player, but he can also do the unusual.
[3] We badly need to work on our ruck setup. if we are predictable to our opponents, we're half way to losing. I'd certainly have H spend more time against Hawthorn in the ruck, as it might get him into the game.
[4] If we have the same lack of endeavour and lack of desire, we're lost. Really need the win at all cost play we had back in 2023.
[5] Have we been thinking of ways of disrupting Hawthorn's ball movement? I hope so.
[6] What to do about Haynes? The obvious choice is Young, but he hasn't really been that impressive. He simply wouldn't be as poor as Haynes was.

Gov and Haynes absolutely need to be dropped this week, anything else and we are just playing blokes on reputation instead of form. If those two said to each other before the game "let put in stinkers tonight", they couldn't have done a better job if they tried. As poor a game as I gave seen from two EXPERIENCED defenders in the one side.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 14, 2025, 08:17:18 pm

Gov and Haynes absolutely need to be dropped this week, anything else and we are just playing blokes on reputation instead of form. If those two said to each other before the game "let put in stinkers tonight", they couldn't have done a better job if they tried. As poor a game as I gave seen from two EXPERIENCED defenders in the one side.

Not Gov.

He wasn't great but he's never woeful he's just not living up to the paypacket and people's expectations.

Haynes was putrid.