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Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #60 –
Quote from: LP – on
If we are making that many radical MC changes, the list health situation must be worse than the club is letting on.

Can someone now please explain how it can be that Russell got the kyboshed?

I'm all for Voss and Cook, in Cook we trust, but it's clear something is quite right, but the good thing is just like the old Carlton if we don't know neither can the opposition! ;)

When someone unqualified tries to do the job of someone hired to do the job, then they are usually gone within 12 months.
Malthouse - MC tried to tell him how/when to coach/rebuild
Silvagni - Liddle tried to draft/trade in his favourites
Russell - Vossy overruled him.
There was another option i had, but now it escapes me.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #61 –
Would have preferred Lemmey but Young is fine if thats the case. He'll keep a key defender busy enough.

Young + Pitto + TDK same side spells danger to me

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #62 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: LP – on
If we are making that many radical MC changes, the list health situation must be worse than the club is letting on.

Can someone now please explain how it can be that Russell got the kyboshed?

I'm all for Voss and Cook, in Cook we trust, but it's clear something is quite right, but the good thing is just like the old Carlton if we don't know neither can the opposition! ;)

When someone unqualified tries to do the job of someone hired to do the job, then they are usually gone within 12 months.
Malthouse - MC tried to tell him how/when to coach/rebuild
Silvagni - Liddle tried to draft/trade in his favourites
Russell - Vossy overruled him.
There was another option i had, but now it escapes me.

Did that happen (bold bit)?

If so, then Voss might need to be the one to go. Or are you inferring that from Charlie last season?

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #63 –
Round six and we're already scraping the bottom of the barrel.  Season = kaput.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #64 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


When someone unqualified tries to do the job of someone hired to do the job, then they are usually gone within 12 months.
Malthouse - MC tried to tell him how/when to coach/rebuild
Silvagni - Liddle tried to draft/trade in his favourites
Russell - Vossy overruled him.
There was another option i had, but now it escapes me.

Did that happen (bold bit)?

If so, then Voss might need to be the one to go. Or are you inferring that from Charlie last season?

That was the rumour going around at the time.
It was sold as....
If you are not going to take my advice and do what you wanna do anyway, then why am I here? And he left.

Again unconfirmed rumour, but yes not a good look if true.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #65 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on


Did that happen (bold bit)?

If so, then Voss might need to be the one to go. Or are you inferring that from Charlie last season?

That was the rumour going around at the time.
It was sold as....
If you are not going to take my advice and do what you wanna do anyway, then why am I here? And he left.

Again unconfirmed rumour, but yes not a good look if true.

But we know from Russell’s own comments that he wasn’t responsible for rehab/player availability. The medical staff were calling the shots, and that’s how it should be.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #66 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


That was the rumour going around at the time.
It was sold as....
If you are not going to take my advice and do what you wanna do anyway, then why am I here? And he left.

Again unconfirmed rumour, but yes not a good look if true.

But we know from Russell’s own comments that he wasn’t responsible for rehab/player availability. The medical staff were calling the shots, and that’s how it should be.
Correct. Saw Russell on the weekend sunning it up in Noosa.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #67 –
I don't recall him ever mentioning Voss over-ruled him.
It appears his beef was that he was sidelined from looking after the rehab group and concentrated (with Voss) more on the healthy players...and in the end he was the one copping all the criticism for injuries and players returning too soon from injury.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2024-excarlton-fitness-boss-andrew-russell-says-he-didnt-have-control-over-rehab-group-injury-crisis-sen-interview-latest-news/news-story/66cd19bd9a529b285d3f8f1309938007

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“I wasn’t involved in a lot of the rehab of a lot of these players once they got injured, which is the way the club set it up. So that was a bit disappointing that I couldn’t have more of an influence on some of those guys, but I was the one in the hot seat and I was the one that copped some of the criticism for it.

“In the end I focused on the healthy group, working with ‘Vossy’ (Blues coach Michael Voss) and Ash (assistant Ash Hansen) and the coaches. We had a healthy group that was in great shape as well and that sort of got glossed over a bit. We actually had a lot of guys play a lot of footy last year and play really, really good footy.

He actually accepts a bit of responsibility for not pushing harder to get that extra control, which he'd do if he had his time again.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #68 –
Just on the change in fitness guys.
When a regime has been in place for some time, as with Russell, then a change in the person overseeing that program may take a little time to have a significant impact.
It's a bit like turning the Titanic.
It may take time but...
Once you get clear of the iceberg it's a bit smoother sailing.
Sometimes you need to 'dismantle' a player to some extent, before rebuilding a bigger,better model.
Five games in really is a little early to judge Inness.
Let's see how things progress as the year goes on and we'll probably have a clearer picture at season's end.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #69 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


That was the rumour going around at the time.
It was sold as....
If you are not going to take my advice and do what you wanna do anyway, then why am I here? And he left.

Again unconfirmed rumour, but yes not a good look if true.

But we know from Russell’s own comments that he wasn’t responsible for rehab/player availability. The medical staff were calling the shots, and that’s how it should be.
Yes, we heard his comments. At the.tkme I picked holes in them.

As I said it was a rumour. Thus can't be verified.

I can't recall everything that was said on the matter nor.my comments rebutting them exactly.
However, when does a player turn from not being injured to being fully fit? Does he have any say jn that period? That is ultimately where we fell down.
If he doesn't (which is a grey area) is that because he tried to overstep and butted isn't rehab areas?
There are large holes in his comments that can very much lay blame at his feet. His comments do not prove innocence....if you believe them at all.
Remember liddle never told sos who to pick either.....if you listen to his comments on the matter.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #70 –
That's the problem with a lot of this...
Clubs and their personnel are never going to give detailed information about what transpires/d.
Things are often left kind of vague.
That void is filled with speculation.
Speculation becomes rumour ("I heard from someone in the club....")
Rumour becomes fact, and we tend to side with, or believe, the people we think are the good guys against those we think are bits of pricks.

The truth is often a lot more complicated than that.
Working relationships in any work place are complex and dynamic.
I suspect football clubs would be even more so because the people working in them come from different backgrounds.
To some the club is just a workplace to others it's been a life long association and passion.
From the outside we never know for sure what's happened.
We should keep an open mind.
Because it may be the person we think is the good guy, was actually the prick.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #71 –
We're drifting a bit away from the prematch
If we want to continue the discussion let's take it to a relevant thread in the injury section,with a bit of cut and paste.


Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #72 –
Well that's pretty concerning, not one of my CFC supporter buddies would be surprised if we lost this one! Even my always positive mate in Canberra!

They all (we're only talking about 5 people here!) mentioned that we, in every game, let our opponents in... we even let the Weagles in from time to time, going coast to coast, they just didn't have any finishers to take full advantage. If we let the Kangabies have a sniff, well, that could get ugly.

My head says, 'This'll be interesting but we should win by around 5gls plus. Although, if they bring consistent heat, we might just fold. We just can't trust our mob, at present.' My heart, on the other hand is worried and devoid of confidence.

Then of course there's the MC factor. Sentimental, conservative and hopeful selections to abound.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #73 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Then of course there's the MC factor. Sentimental, conservative and hopeful selections to abound.

This is the thing that matters.

Over the past 5 years or so, the amount of games we've lost at the selection table I'd suggest is larger than the amount of games we've lost in the coaches box.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne Good Friday

Reply #74 –
I'm backing us to win vs Nth but not with much conviction and more based on Nths poor form than anything wonderful I expect from us. A close game with Cripps and Walsh seeing us home and Charlie being more productive.