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Re: Lewis Young

Reply #31 –
Ta ta McG, if HOF hadn't done his knee he would have been delisted a month ago ... Still think he's surplus to requirements and any contract should be minimum chips after his last one.  Lots of promises, delivered very little.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #32 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Ta ta McG, if HOF hadn't done his knee he would have been delisted a month ago ... Still think he's surplus to requirements and any contract should be minimum chips after his last one.  Lots of promises, delivered very little.
Yep, as I said previously I'd take Ryan Burton as a DFA and say bye to McGovern.

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #33 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
Ta ta McG, if HOF hadn't done his knee he would have been delisted a month ago ... Still think he's surplus to requirements and any contract should be minimum chips after his last one.  Lots of promises, delivered very little.
Yep, as I said previously I'd take Ryan Burton as a DFA and say bye to McGovern.

I saw somewhere that we are definitely looking at that as an option.

Not sure we can afford to cut loose Gov for the same reasons we 'must' keep Young......we have SFA as backup!

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #34 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
Ta ta McG, if HOF hadn't done his knee he would have been delisted a month ago ... Still think he's surplus to requirements and any contract should be minimum chips after his last one.  Lots of promises, delivered very little.
Yep, as I said previously I'd take Ryan Burton as a DFA and say bye to McGovern.
Boak will tell us whether Burton is a yes or a no.
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Re: Lewis Young

Reply #35 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
Ta ta McG, if HOF hadn't done his knee he would have been delisted a month ago ... Still think he's surplus to requirements and any contract should be minimum chips after his last one.  Lots of promises, delivered very little.
Yep, as I said previously I'd take Ryan Burton as a DFA and say bye to McGovern.

Why on earth would you jettison a seasoned if somewhat flakey but versatile player for a mediocre DFA who couldn’t get a game for Port Adelaide.

By all means move Gov on if there’s a better option but Ryan Burton?  Give me a break!

Ethan Phillips would be a much better pick up than Burton.
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Re: Lewis Young

Reply #36 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Yep, as I said previously I'd take Ryan Burton as a DFA and say bye to McGovern.

Why on earth would you jettison a seasoned if somewhat flakey but versatile player for a mediocre DFA who couldn’t get a game for Port Adelaide.

By all means move Gov on if there’s a better option but Ryan Burton?  Give me a break!

Ethan Phillips would be a much better pick up than Burton.
Philips is a KP player who cant kick with one AFL game and Burton is a running half back with 162 games and can kick the ball well....two different players...con on Burton has been his injuries so he would need a careful medical check. I watched Philips get intimidated and well beaten by some no name VFL journeyman from Frankston so no thanks.
As I have said previously I would prefer Jacob Blight ex Richmond as a backup KP defender over Philips.
Burton is comparable to McGovern in size and the latter has been a over paid disappointment for years now and thats why he hasnt been offered a contract and the powers at be denied him a trigger game for a new deal, not really a vote of confidence and id expect him to join Burton as a DFA and maybe the likes of West Coast can give him a home.

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #37 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: DJC – on


Why on earth would you jettison a seasoned if somewhat flakey but versatile player for a mediocre DFA who couldn’t get a game for Port Adelaide.

By all means move Gov on if there’s a better option but Ryan Burton?  Give me a break!

Ethan Phillips would be a much better pick up than Burton.
Philips is a KP player who cant kick with one AFL game and Burton is a running half back with 162 games and can kick the ball well....two different players...con on Burton has been his injuries so he would need a careful medical check. I watched Philips get intimidated and well beaten by some no name VFL journeyman from Frankston so no thanks.
As I have said previously I would prefer Jacob Blight ex Richmond as a backup KP defender over Philips.
Burton is comparable to McGovern in size and the latter has been a over paid disappointment for years now and thats why he hasnt been offered a contract and the powers at be denied him a trigger game for a new deal, not really a vote of confidence and id expect him to join Burton as a DFA and maybe the likes of West Coast can give him a home.

I’m glad you don’t have any influence over our list management decision making EB.
 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #38 –
We debunked Gov's contract $ ages ago, the fact it keeps getting mentioned is a tell regarding cognitive bias, once you learn or are exposed to something you can't unlearn it.

It's the principle behind RedTrump's weave, why he continually repeats lies, like fake news assertions, you can't erase it from your subconscious. Even when you know it was wrong it still influences the opinions you form.
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Reply #39 –
Quote from: LP – on
We debunked Gov's contract $ ages ago, the fact it keeps getting mentioned is a tell regarding cognitive bias, once you learn or are exposed to something you can't unlearn it.

It's the principle behind RedTrump's weave, why he continually repeats lies, like fake news assertions, you can't erase it from your subconscious. Even when you know it was wrong it still influences the opinions you form.
McGovern has given us nothing and got a healthy initial contract.
Been a recruiting fail....

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #40 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: LP – on
We debunked Gov's contract $ ages ago, the fact it keeps getting mentioned is a tell regarding cognitive bias, once you learn or are exposed to something you can't unlearn it.

It's the principle behind RedTrump's weave, why he continually repeats lies, like fake news assertions, you can't erase it from your subconscious. Even when you know it was wrong it still influences the opinions you form.
McGovern has given us nothing and got a healthy initial contract.
Been a recruiting fail....

If he was paid less, would it have been good recruiting?

If we paid him half what he got would it have been good recruiting?

If we paid him half what he got and lost the other half because we 'had to use it or lose it' is that good recruiting?

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #41 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Philips is a KP player who cant kick with one AFL game and Burton is a running half back with 162 games and can kick the ball well....two different players...con on Burton has been his injuries so he would need a careful medical check. I watched Philips get intimidated and well beaten by some no name VFL journeyman from Frankston so no thanks.
As I have said previously I would prefer Jacob Blight ex Richmond as a backup KP defender over Philips.
Burton is comparable to McGovern in size and the latter has been a over paid disappointment for years now and thats why he hasnt been offered a contract and the powers at be denied him a trigger game for a new deal, not really a vote of confidence and id expect him to join Burton as a DFA and maybe the likes of West Coast can give him a home.

I’m glad you don’t have any influence over our list management decision making EB.
 
I probably could have managed to make decisions without the new CEO having to baby sit me and hold my hand on the final day of the trade period unlike our resident list manager. That was a good look ..not and symbolic of the shambles of a club we have become with 25-30 years of failure to show for it.

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #42 –
AFL lists must be lodged by the 24th November (damn qwerty keyboard mistype). The saga about Mitch McGovern's future will surely go on later rather sooner. There are lots of feelings about him for the time being. Just as much as there is Lewis Young.
If McGovern stays on and hopefully for not too long, it appears it will be in the forward line and hopefully, as cover only. Down back, Haynes and Dean are ahead of him. What the forward line will look like is more unknown than the back line.

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #43 –
This thread is so Freudian.........

It's supposed to be about Lewis Young, yet the whole last page is talking about a bunch of other players.  He can't even get a gig on his own discussion thread!
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Lewis Young

Reply #44 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
This thread is so Freudian.........

It's supposed to be about Lewis Young, yet the whole last page is talking about a bunch of other players.  He can't even get a gig on his own discussion thread!

When you become a moderator you soon learn that it's easier to go with the flow than swim against the tide  :)  And, to be fair, discussing players who may be competing with Young for a KPP/ruck role is on topic.

But back to Lewis Young ...

We don't know what was discussed in his 2024 exit interview but we know that Lewis was told that he was free to explore options elsewhere.  It may have been a simple as Lewis asking to be guaranteed AFL games and being told that he'd have to go elsewhere to get that.  Another possibility is that we had a player lined up who could fill his role.  However, we delisted Marchbank in 2024 and had Nick Haynes lined up to replace him.  Tall defenders don't grow on trees and it's unlikely that we had two lined up.  We do know that Jack Silvagni's exit interview saw the idea raised that he could play as a KPD, and that may have been the catalyst for Lewis being given the go ahead to look around.

According to Cal Twomey, Lewis quickly decided that he didn't want to leave.  He simply rolled his sleeves up and worked hard at whatever role he was given; in the VFL, AFL, KPD, KPF or ruck. 

Yes, he makes me nervous when the ball is heading his way and when he has the ball in his hands but I don't think you can fault his work ethic, effort, durability and, on his 2025 performance, versatility. 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball