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Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #45 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on


Xerri put TDK into the fence and nothing from his mates.
It's a lack of team spirit and care for your teammates, the good teams have it and it's a non negotiable imo.
Why would a young player want to come to Carlton when you see stuff like that..?
The only players we’ve had like that are Nic Newman and Matt Kennedy
1 injured, 1 traded.
Most of our fwd line are soft cocks too

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #46 –
List needs to be semi nuked.
Cripps to WCE - too many slow players in the midfield and WCE will pay up
McKay to Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane - is becoming more blatant by the day
Motlop and Kemp trade
TDK - trade
Docherty, Evans, White, Fantasia, McGovern, Cincotta - delist

Need as many future picks (2026) as possible before Tasmania

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #48 –
i never liked the voss appointment and nothing ive seen changes that.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #49 –
Quote from: pinot – on
List needs to be semi nuked.
Cripps to WCE - too many slow players in the midfield and WCE will pay up
McKay to Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane - is becoming more blatant by the day
Motlop and Kemp trade
TDK - trade
Docherty, Evans, White, Fantasia, McGovern, Cincotta - delist

Need as many future picks (2026) as possible before Tasmania
Cripps no! Talk about destroying team morale.
Motlop yes
Kemp no
McKay no but Curnow ....
TDK YES
McGovern and Cinc no the rest yes
Walsh no

We just have too many key players injured.
Voss is coaching with one arm tied behind his back.
Needs better assistants, heaps better.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #50 –
Yep,  we are all shattered at how the Blues are performing this year, but no point in mass depression or hysteria!  
 Hopefully Voss & Co will use the rest of season 2025 to get games into the young talent waiting for their chance, incl. Ben Campo., O'Farrell, Moir, Flynn Young etc

Ab

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #51 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Quote from: Professer E – on

Do we persist with Voss or not?

We stuffed up when we replaced Ratten with Malthouse and repeated the stuff up when we replaced Teague with Voss.


Aint that the truth, Ye Rat O' the River.
Voss was our third choice. That seldom works out well! We were sold Voss on that he had senior coach experience... Um, that was senior coach failure and his results with us have pretty much tracked with his results at BrisVegas.

As an aside, I was gobsmacked when I saw Voss publicly lay into Jaxon Binns at 3/4 time. If folks want to know what 'scapegoating' looks like, there you have it. Weak as p1ss. He owes the kid an apology. It was the on-field leadership, and his own leadership that required berating.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #52 –
Quote from: shawny – on
i never liked the voss appointment and nothing ive seen changes that.
I admit to having had some initial reservations but then became more accepting of him. As with his predecessors though the players seem to have drifted away from him .
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #53 –
So Voss could coach up until 12 months ago and then he suddenly lost the ability to?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #54 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
Quote from: pinot – on
List needs to be semi nuked.
Cripps to WCE - too many slow players in the midfield and WCE will pay up
McKay to Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane - is becoming more blatant by the day
Motlop and Kemp trade
TDK - trade
Docherty, Evans, White, Fantasia, McGovern, Cincotta - delist

Need as many future picks (2026) as possible before Tasmania
Cripps no! Talk about destroying team morale.
Motlop yes
Kemp no
McKay no but Curnow ....
TDK YES
McGovern and Cinc no the rest yes
Walsh no

We just have too many key players injured.
Voss is coaching with one arm tied behind his back.
Needs better assistants, heaps better.

There is some truth to this, however at critical moments our “key players” don’t step up and often make poor decisions - a long winded way of saying we’re not very good, compounded by an average game plan and some bewildering recruitment choices.

At the very least a mini rebuild is needed

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Reply #55 –
The reality is, we aren't a well run club.

You want to see what happens to a club not being run well?

Look at Manchester United.  They were the epitome of what well run looks like up until about the mid 2000's.  In 2013 their most successfulcoach called time on hus career and theve looked like carlton ever since which shows what a good individuals can do to keep a place buoyant.

Review their history since that day though.  They resemble Carlton.  Shelling out big money for signings, looking for saviours where none exist, scapegoating players and coaches, lack of succession planning, no real method to the madness, neglecting key parts of their operations and have finally become a rabble finishing with their worst modern day result i can remember this season.


Contrast that to Liverpool.  A side who have been a bridesmaid for the better part of the last 35 years.

In 2010, Fenway sports group purchased them.  They have put some very astute people together to help run the club in a method that was the hallmark of what a professionally run football club looks like.  They broke their 30 year premiership drought in 2020, won the uefa champions league and did so without the oil backing their rivals at Manchester city  have enjoyed.  They are promoting kids from their academy, and have just had a coach who helped transform the place depart, brought in the data driven replacement who used the exact same squad to win the premiership for the second time since FSG bought them.

This took years to bear fruit.  At Carlton we cant see past 3 or 4 years and dont have the same luxury as these organisations do to transform our fortunes.

Thats why we are all dissapointed.  We've come to the reality that the SOS era was just another false dawn.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #56 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We don't need a full rebuild. We can turn this around for next season if we make the right moves.
Totally agree.  But we need to find better foot soldiers.  And create a development plan that produces better foot soldiers.

I think Voss's big error is he is putting too much hope in the fact that a handful of A-Graders can constantly drag the whole team over the line.

Once you get past our top 10, we are very poor.

I've seen this before with coaches who were gun players themselves (apart from a couple of exceptions like Barassi and Matthews) - they never get the best out of the average list players, because they don't understand the mind-set needed to be a role player in a team.

That's why the coaches with the best record are often average footballers who had to work so hard to get a kick and think far more about the game - Hardwick, Clarkson, Beveridge, the Scotts, even Malthouse, Pagan and Hafey.

They know exactly what it takes for a role-player to be effective in a team, and they structure that way.

We will never be a serious challenger while we have superstars surrounded by spuds - who end up being the weakest link.  The spuds don't turn into chips, and the superstars get increasingly disenchanted.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #57 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We don't need a full rebuild. We can turn this around for next season if we make the right moves.
Totally agree.  But we need to find better foot soldiers.  And create a development plan that produces better foot soldiers.

I think Voss's big error is he is putting too much hope in the fact that a handful of A-Graders can constantly drag the whole team over the line.

Once you get past our top 10, we are very poor.

I've seen this before with coaches who were gun players themselves (apart from a couple of exceptions like Barassi and Matthews) - they never get the best out of the average list players, because they don't understand the mind-set needed to be a role player in a team.

That's why the coaches with the best record are often average footballers who had to work so hard to get a kick and think far more about the game - Hardwick, Clarkson, Beveridge, the Scotts, even Malthouse, Pagan and Hafey.

They know exactly what it takes for a role-player to be effective in a team, and they structure that way.

We will never be a serious challenger while we have superstars surrounded by spuds - who end up being the weakest link.  The spuds don't turn into chips, and the superstars get increasingly disenchanted.

A great post

People will laugh but it may be time to consider a successful coach from a different code - the ex-player DNA pool (including assistants) is limited, so the chances of finding the next Clarkson from the pool is a very low probability.

I’d bet that we’re a much higher chance of challenging conventional ways of moving the ball with a master coach of another code - soccer given the professionalism and years of development to create space/defensive structures which leaves the afl in the dust.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #58 –
Interesting thought there Tonyo, that makes sense to me.

I like Voss the person and I was happy he was appointed - remember there was a big push to get Ross Lyon or Clarko / Ross Lyon no thank you, am wondering if some mongrel having Clarko would’ve been beneficial tho, in hindsight.

I was wondering who Voss was giving a spray to. Binns has played a handful Of games ffs and looks to run his arse off. Ok maybe what he wasn’t doing  was creating issues elsewhere I don’t know. But we have some (seemingly) protected star players and I’m not sure berating a kid publicly is the way to go.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2025 Post-Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #59 –
On that why was Motlop the sub? And why did we sub Lord for him?