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Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #30 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
We also need to stop tolerating rubbish performances from players week after week. E.g Saad, Acres, Curnow for weeks, De Koning.

I've been on Saad's case for some time now and after last night, I'm stamping his papers for good, he is a massive liability in defence and has to go.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #31 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
I've been on Saad's case for some time now and after last night, I'm stamping his papers for good, he is a massive liability in defence and has to go.
I think when he is good he is very good, but typically it is only when he has the game on his terms which is happening less and less.

Saad and all our list should have made use of their "off-side" a priority, they haven't and now they are paying the price for predictability.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #32 –
You wouldn't need to be a genius to know that Mitchell would have had his troops wired to hit us hard in the first to crush the Doc/Weiters emotion. We didn't seem prepared for that, and, just for something different... Wilted. Wilted under intense speed and pressure, again. The next three quarters were better, but it would have been difficult to be worse. Gee we lack passion, grit and spirit resulting in lame tackling efforts from some who should know better. In fact it was the kids who displayed ferocious tackle commitment.

The only place Motlop is useful is deep in attack. Up the field, he's busy, works hard and achieves very little. Zero footy IQ/awareness (except around goal). His partners in crime, Durdin and Fogarty, for small forwards, remain deficient in creativity. I thought Will W regained some of his spark, and he can actually create goals.

How do we not learn from the past that going into games top heavy doesn't work! Once Cooper L entered the game, we looked better.

How do we not learn that Saad is not a lockdown defender. His strength is run and carry. I know it seems bizarre but why wouldn't we play him to his strengths?

How come most know that Acres is now a liability, yet the MC selects him?

How come our senior coach (liked his post game media) admits we were too slow, conservative and went down the line too often... after almost four years at the helm?

Glad Charles silenced the gossipers.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #33 –
We keep going down the line because too many of our players know they have average foot skills at best and lack the confidence to try to pinpoint a pass.

There were quite a number of occasions last night where a player coming out of defence with the ball would hesitate, fail to take the option of passing to a player presenting for a pass, and take the soft option of kicking down the line.

This slowed down the game and made it so easy for defenders to cover our forwards.

I am sure that many here remember the way Hawthorn, year after year at Marvel with players such as Isaac Smith , Bruest, etc, used excellent kicking  to rip us apart.

Clearly we learned nothing from those defeats.

It doesn't matter whether we have plans from A to Z if we do not have players with the necessary skills to carry them out.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #34 –
Something else I noted last night, at times, we were trying to get out of defense, and Charlie was all the way in the forward line, when the ball was in half back, and the seperation between lines was way too large.

I dont think Charlie is the issue there, as he is trying to make the ground bigger, but he was too far to be a get out kick down the line, and inboard, there werent any options on as the rest were stuck trying to rebound out of defense.

Looking from up high, that was easy to see, but it results in a long low percentage kick to a 2 on 1, that needs to be 60 metres, and most players just arent going to hit that distance accurately enough for it to be anything but a dead ball.

Positioning is an issue, but not a design problem there, someone has not run somewhere at all.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
We keep going down the line because too many of our players know they have average foot skills at best and lack the confidence to try to pinpoint a pass.

There were quite a number of occasions last night where a player coming out of defence with the ball would hesitate, fail to take the option of passing to a player presenting for a pass, and take the soft option of kicking down the line.
This has been obvious to me for some time now, it's a failing of our Sport Psychologists not the coaching staff, we aren't able to eliminate doubt but we are clearly manifesting it!

Maybe it doesn't help having so many of our blokes studying sports psychology, they might have learned just enough to shoot themselves in the foot Dunning-Kruger style!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #36 –
Mitchell has drilled into his squad to be like himself, use both sides proficiently, so much so you don't even notice it when they do.

It's something Mitchell taught himself to do to offset his lack of pace, he knows others can learn it too if they are prepared to work at it, he did you can't argue with him about it!

When I was in my 40s I realised that the more dependant I became on computers for work the greater the risk was work would become difficult if I lost a limb. This was trigger by an temporary injury to my dominant side, so I started using the mouse in my other hand, and also note taking. At first my writing looked like pre-school scribble and I couldn't point to a screen without assistance. It took about 3 months to become proficient, I could now use left or right handed hardware and take legible notes with either hand. A couple of years down the track I have people make statements like, "I didn't know you were left handed", I'm not! And I don't have to swap around mouse buttons or any bullsh1t like that, I just use it as is freely swapping left or right.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Baggers – on

Glad Charles silenced the gossipers.


Only because he was caught out and was told to. He and his management aren't very clever at all.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #38 –
Can't understand why we have not been playing Jordan Boyd.  Regularly among our best in the VFL team.
Competitive, combative, can pass the ball to forwards.
Would be playing him on the wing (where he played his first AFL game) instead of Acres, or playing him back pocket with Matt Carroll on the wing.

Ab

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #39 –
On a positive note we do have some "Emerald Sprouts" in our under 21 contingent.
The thing with young'uns is they have to develop consistency.
That often takes a year or three.
You won't see it every game.
You won't necessarily see it every quarter of a game.
It might be two players 'shining' one week, a different two another week.
Until they've spent some years playing together and develop that 'team' understanding we may not see the best of them.

It wasn't so long ago I was a bit apprehensive about the future and thought we were putting too much emphasis on the present and not planning for the years AC (after Cripps)... and the Four Horsemen of the 2015 draft.
That seems to have changed quite a bit.
We're not looking too bad when these kids get a few years and games under their belt.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Lods – on
On a positive note we do have some "Emerald Sprouts" in our under 21 contingent.
The thing with young'uns is they have to develop consistency.
That often takes a year or three.
You won't see it every game.
You won't necessarily see it every quarter of a game.
It might be two players 'shining' one week, a different two another week.
Until they've spent some years playing together and develop that 'team' understanding we may not see the best of them.

It wasn't so long ago I was a bit apprehensive about the future and thought we were putting too much emphasis on the present and not planning for the years AC (after Cripps)... and the Four Horsemen of the 2015 draft.
That seems to have changed quite a bit.
We're not looking too bad when these kids get a few years and games under their belt.

Does that mean that Austin gets a pass?

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #41 –
A pass for what?


2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #42 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Fancy letting Docherty get pushed around in his last game.

Yep i saw Newcombe do that and thought they still have the Clarkson mongrel about them. Not even Cripps did anything.

We are so weak mentally and physically its embarrassing.

All week we heard all the Doc talk Cripps crying, Weiters 200 and the ball is bounced and the opposition are 10 times hungrier then us and it as game over at QT.

Says it all really and why major cleanout on all levels is the only option. Sick of the same sh1te year after year.   
We need to recruit a couple of Brayden Maynard types who can carry the fight back to the opposition and who enjoy having a bit of white line fever. You cant have a team consisting of all nice Von Trapp kids, it just leads to intimidation and bullying from other teams and a lack of respect. Players like Newcombe can push and shove our blokes because they know nothing is coming back the other way and your kids, smaller players dont ever feel comfortable.
Our lack of physical support for players is embarrassing and not what good Carlton teams would tolerate.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Lods – on
On a positive note we do have some "Emerald Sprouts" in our under 21 contingent.
The thing with young'uns is they have to develop consistency.
That often takes a year or three.
You won't see it every game.
You won't necessarily see it every quarter of a game.
It might be two players 'shining' one week, a different two another week.
Until they've spent some years playing together and develop that 'team' understanding we may not see the best of them.

It wasn't so long ago I was a bit apprehensive about the future and thought we were putting too much emphasis on the present and not planning for the years AC (after Cripps)... and the Four Horsemen of the 2015 draft.
That seems to have changed quite a bit.
We're not looking too bad when these kids get a few years and games under their belt.

I'm very wary of a few things when evaluating our kids.

1. Its their first year and that usually gets them more freedom - eg Hollands dominated his 1st year, went missing a bit in his second.
Is it sustainable or is simply because opposition players don't know what to expect from then yet and can't plan for them. Sample size not big enough.

2. Is there room to grow.
Will White, Matt Carroll, Cooper Lord, Corey Durdin, Flynn Young etc. They are all, somewhat, performing a role that you could consider AFL worthy.....mostly.
However, how much better can they get? What exactly are they good at? What are they elite at? Lord and Carroll look like they belong the most, but i'm still not sold on them long term. At or above expectations now. Will they take another step? Can they??

3. Similar to #2, but with different players.
HOK, HOF and Moir. They all need to put on a bit more size to compete at the level long term. IMO, they all have some attributes that make them elite though.  HOKs speed/agility for his size is rare. HOFs marking is elite. Moir clearly has x-factor. Can they keep this up long term with a bit more size and can they do that while carrying niggles like every other AFL footballer who plays each week?

There are promising signs, absolutely, but its a far cry from having a bunch of AA talent in the works.