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Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #30 –
Good effort. Hot start. Courageous.
Call it by any other name.

End of the day. We're not good enough to be consistently, regularly, or even intermittently be competitive in this league. At least not in the modern era. No matter the changes we've made on or off field. No matter the supposed "best" people, processes, or resources. Credit for our off field performance in terms of revenue and community development though.

Honestly it pains me to say "we were Carlton" For the record, if SoS goes, I expect that relative off field performance to suffer.

Have a great evening Bluebaggers
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #31 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: northernblue – on
Hawks fitness guy is no good, he’s broken Will Day again…
He got stomped on, not a great point to make.  ;)

And any point about our current or former fitness guys are well made…? 🤦🏼‍♂️
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #32 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: kruddler – on

He got stomped on, not a great point to make.  ;)

And any point about our current or former fitness guys are well made…? 🤦🏼‍♂️

Touche. ;)

I just reckon there is plenty of amunition to disprove those outlandish claims, that a bad example could've been avoided.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #33 –
Nobody gave us any chance at all in this game. I think the final scoreline flattered Freo. No way they were a 5 goal better team IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #34 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
A lot of people hate on Harry but he laid 10 tackles and brought the ball to ground a lot.  Needed some support which was missing once we lost the tall back. 

Not sure anyone was doubting Harry's effort. More his ability to impact games on the scoreboard.

We have so many 'good forwards' who rate highly in tackle numbers. Thats great and it has its place.
That being said, tackle numbers don't win you games, clearly. Perhaps if we spent more time training kicking goals, we'd have more wins on the board.

Curnow and McKay combined average less than 3 goals a game.
Fogarty
Motlop
Durdin
Evans
Williams
White
F. Young
Fantasia
Moir

Thats 9 players. Averages out to about 8 goals a game from them......and thats if we play them all!

Combine that with our 2 key forwards and we get 11 goals a game from 11 forwards.
Now, clearly we don't play 9 small forwards a game, but the averages stay the same.
Number of forwards we play = number of goals from those forwards

There's not a lot of games you will win with that kind of turnaround, especially since our midfielder (and backs) are going to kick less goals than our forwards.

You see the problem with tackle numbers? Its almost coming at the expense of goals kicked!
How many easy Joe the goose goals do we get? Our smalls are too busy clogging up the backline and nobody is 'cheating' forward for an easy goal.
Our team NEEDS more easy goals.
We need forwards to be forwards and kick goals.

As i said, i get the modern game and the pressure required etc.
To that i have a simple response - Check the ladder and let me know how thats working out for us.

FWIW,
We are 4th in the league for tackles per game.
We are 14th for goals a game.
We are 13th on the ladder.

So good on Harry.
Lets see him, and his mates, kick some bloody goals though!
I get it, but he's played 2 games in 12 weeks, and done his bit to put in for the team.  The 10 tackles needs to be applauded because it shows he is doing all anyone can ask and that is to give you 100% effort. 

Sure you want more goals than tackles but the first complaint about Charlie when he wasn't kicking goals was where are the tackles.  Harry brought an elite level of tackle pressure and it should be applauded.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I get it, but he's played 2 games in 12 weeks, and done his bit to put in for the team.  The 10 tackles needs to be applauded because it shows he is doing all anyone can ask and that is to give you 100% effort. 

Sure you want more goals than tackles but the first complaint about Charlie when he wasn't kicking goals was where are the tackles.  Harry brought an elite level of tackle pressure and it should be applauded.

Harry laid the most tackles of any of our players, in fact the most of anyone on the ground. For a player his size with hardly any football in the last few months, it's a super effort.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #36 –
Ran out of legs and outclassed a little. Walsh, Cottrell, E Hollands, Charlie, Newman, Jack, Kemp would have helped.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #37 –
harry tackling may seem a positive but means very little to me. you just have to watch the game not get subdued by the stat sheet. You wont find a weaker unreliable injury prone or less imposing coleman medalist in the history of the afl.

His tackles wouldnt hurt a butterfly.

Hes kicking is so unreliable you can only laugh at it. he doesnt even know where the ball is going. Amazing to think hes a key forward and his job is to kick goals and to be a physical presence is mind boggling.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #38 –
Just on observation and not on the stat sheet, I thought Harry got better and more involved as the game progressed....which kind of went against the general trend for others, who dropped off.

That's to be expected as he regains match fitness and awareness.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #39 –
His confidence is probably shot and he's playing dead games at the end of the worst season in years. Under the circumstances he's doing ok.  Some more goals would be nice but he's not exactly getting quality delivery or any support whatsoever.  None.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #40 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Harry laid the most tackles of any of our players, in fact the most of anyone on the ground. For a player his size with hardly any football in the last few months, it's a super effort.
Until a player finds some form that is all the MC can ask for, it's a great indicator of effort.

Some fans might not see it, apparently some think it's nothing to track down the ball carrier at AFL level which is by the way the tackle stat, catching the ball carrier! ::)

It's interesting to see BigH going through this phase, not dissimilar to 2M Peter's issues a couple of years back.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #41 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: northernblue – on


And any point about our current or former fitness guys are well made…? 🤦🏼‍♂️

Touche. ;)

I just reckon there is plenty of amunition to disprove those outlandish claims, that a bad example could've been avoided.

I don't think it's outlandish to say we're not running out games well.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #42 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
He got stomped on, not a great point to make.  ;)
They left him out on the track, I suspect his manager might not be too happy as that sort of rubbish can derail a career!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #43 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Touche. ;)

I just reckon there is plenty of amunition to disprove those outlandish claims, that a bad example could've been avoided.

I don't think it's outlandish to say we're not running out games well.
You're right we arent.  Perhaps that was the change of high performance manager rather than anything else.

When push comes to shove look at the hawks.  They're in so so conditioning physically after playing finals last season.  They're not struggling like we are but most of those players dont have multiple seasons of recurring injuries like ours after a couple of years playing into September.  After missing finals, next year could be a lot better on this front for us.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #44 –
We had a team full of early career types yesterday, the result was predictable, it's been predictable for more than a season now for a variety of reasons.

I think this season we were just one or two list changes short of a significant swing in fortunes, changes that would have allowed our slower stoppage specialists stay in the game longer and limit the damage on the momentum swings.

Much of the complaining from fans and high profile supporters is yet another "throw the baby out with the bathwater" scenario, it is dummy spitting of the highest order.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"