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Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #30
Everyone is happy for Evan’s, no one is proposing big contracts.
He knows he’s player 44 on the list but his form over the past weeks has been solid, he does what the coaches want and his courage is doubtless, there should be no quibbling over a one year deal.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #31
Weitering's positioning was terrible last night, I thought he put pressure on his team mates especially Young. I think Weiters tries to do too much, worry more about your man who is getting off the chain and let the others worry about theirs. Too often it looked like he was trying mind King and Reid and was minding neither in the end. Thats what it looked like to me and a mate of mine.
Viewers who reckon that King kicked all of his goals on Young must have had their eyes as closed as Reiwolt - Weitering hung Young out to dry on at least two occasions by switching coverage so late that Young had no chance to get close to King and there was another occasion when Weitering trailed King as he led up and around before eventually failing to even contest the mark when King made a straight forward lead up the guts.
100% this.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #32
The kicker for the rubbish commentating is we have to pay to hear it on Saturdays 🙄 as previously said the 2x Reiwoldts are shockers - although Nick much much worse than Jack. Pushing his own barrow. Used to like him but came to the conclusion he’s a complete flog - I loved when Ratts called him out about only being around the club (at Stk) for the free physio. Anyway, it’s painful listening to any commentary when our season is dead.

No one is suggesting Frank is our saviour now but good on him to come back and consistently improve each game! And it seems he has some footy IQ! Which is really novel for us tbh.

Thought the umpiring was putrid and sure the free kick stat seems even but again where it’s paid around the ground is what is important. Anyway.

Also really good Acres played a good game,
Say what you like but you can’t question his bravery and commitment once on the ground. Ollie too, although both could improve their disposal.

All in all I felt really proud of them 💪🏼

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #33
Also feel somethings NQR with Weiters too. Not sure what but the attitude I feel hasn’t been as…. Positive…. As usual lately.

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #34
Everyone is happy for Evan’s, no one is proposing big contracts.
He knows he’s player 44 on the list but his form over the past weeks has been solid, he does what the coaches want and his courage is doubtless, there should be no quibbling over a one year deal.

Exactly. Apart from hitting the scoreboard Frankie seems reliable with aggot in hand - pleasing disposal and choices.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #35
The kicker for the rubbish commentating is we have to pay to hear it on Saturdays 🙄 as previously said the 2x Reiwoldts are shockers - although Nick much much worse than Jack. Pushing his own barrow. Used to like him but came to the conclusion he’s a complete flog - I loved when Ratts called him out about only being around the club (at Stk) for the free physio. Anyway, it’s painful listening to any commentary when our season is dead.

No one is suggesting Frank is our saviour now but good on him to come back and consistently improve each game! And it seems he has some footy IQ! Which is really novel for us tbh.

Thought the umpiring was putrid and sure the free kick stat seems even but again where it’s paid around the ground is what is important. Anyway.

Also really good Acres played a good game,
Say what you like but you can’t question his bravery and commitment once on the ground. Ollie too, although both could improve their disposal.

All in all I felt really proud of them 💪🏼
I thought H in particular got the raw end of some horrid umpiring. There was one bit of umpiring that was audible where the umpire is heard saying "Free kick to ummmmm.." Thats not good, sounded like he genuinely plucked it out of his ass but hadn't decided who to gift it to. There was one where the ump called a ball up and the GC player threw it away and ran off with no free kick. I thought the rule was that you had to give it back to the ump, I'm sure one like that was paid in a game recently.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #36
Evans has been a bit of a journeyman...but is still only 23.
Many of those on the fringe and suggested delistings are 19 and 20 year olds.

We better be really careful with how we manage this group...it could come back to bite us on the backside if we let them go a bit early.
Perhaps we don't offer Frank a ten year deal based on one game.
A one year extension is probably enough at this stage and we can look at something longer term next year.

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #37
Evans has been a bit of a journeyman...but is still only 23.
Many of those on the fringe and suggested delistings are 19 and 20 year olds.

We better be really careful with how we manage this group...it could come back to bite us on the backside if we let them go a bit early.
Perhaps we don't offer Frank a ten year deal based on one game.
A one year extension is probably enough at this stage and we can look at something longer term next year.
And I think Voss suggested as much in his presser (ie investing and nurturing the kids and them taking the positions of older players,Alleluia).  It was one of his best pressers yet IMO.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #38
Until we can find better players we need to exercise some caution as to who we send on their way. Silly to cut off  the nose to spite the face.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #39
Viewers who reckon that King kicked all of his goals on Young must have had their eyes as closed as Reiwolt - Weitering hung Young out to dry on at least two occasions by switching coverage so late that Young had no chance to get close to King and there was another occasion when Weitering trailed King as he led up and around before eventually failing to even contest the mark when King made a straight forward lead up the guts.
Young was guarding grass, Weitering was being forced to bounce back and forth between two KPFs while stood watching it happen.

Young can't have it both ways, he likes to go for the 3rd man up contested marks, but the moment he has to stand a equivalently sized opponent or take the front position against a KPF he evaporates. All Young had to do was check King's movement, and Weitering would have closed the gap and taken the front position that Young refused, but he basically stood nowhere and later on he became a step ladder.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #40
Stop changing the story. Weitering was beaten. It happens sometimes even to the best.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #41
Stop changing the story. Weitering was beaten. It happens sometimes even to the best.
Weitering wasn't even within reach of King when many of those marks were taken, it's called a team based defence, and if you fail to impede an opponent it's a fail. Not only wasn't King delayed at getting to the contest, GCs small forwards ran interference on Weitering making it to the contest as the 3rd man up. Even more disappointing than Weitering being delayed, was Young being completely stopped by relative midgets.

It's bizarre that fans see what they want to see. It's not hard to contrast what was happening at the other end of the ground, the same fans screaming about King getting unhindered runs at the footy complain about Harry being mauled, and they can't put two and two together, they fail to see the contrast.

btw., It's been Dimma's game style since his Nthmond days and it's back with vengeance now, forwards blocking for each other, being physical with defenders to give a KPF a free run at the footy. We use to complain about Jack Riewoldt, now it's King who has become a superstar against Carlton!

btw., The same lack of blocks and shepherds extends to our forward play, we stand by and watch as defenders run past our squad and mow down our small forwards. We have no team function in this regard, we are a bunch of individuals kicking the footy around the park.

If our supporter mentality extends to our MC, no wonder we are shizen!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #42
Stop changing the story. Weitering was beaten. It happens sometimes even to the best.
Weitering wasn't even within reach of King when many of those marks were taken, it's called a team based defence, and if you fail to impede an opponent it's a fail. Not only wasn't King delayed at getting to the contest, GCs small forwards ran interference on Weitering making it to the contest as the 3rd man up. Even more disappointing than Weitering being delayed, was Young being completely stopped by relative midgets.

It's bizarre that fans see what they want to see. It's not hard to contrast what was happening at the other end of the ground, the same fans screaming about King getting unhindered runs at the footy complain about Harry being mauled, and they can't put two and two together, they fail to see the contrast.

btw., It's been Dimma's game style since his Nthmond days and it's back with vengeance now, forwards blocking for each other, being physical with defenders to give a KPF a free run at the footy. We use to complain about Jack Riewoldt, now it's King who has become a superstar against Carlton!

btw., The same lack of blocks and shepherds extends to our forward play, we stand by and watch as defenders run past our squad and mow down our small forwards. We have no team function in this regard, we are a bunch of individuals kicking the footy around the park.

If our supporter mentality extends to our MC, no wonder we are shizen!
you say its bizarre when fans see what they want, but you're doing the same.   most of kings marks were on the lead where weitering was trailing him.  The kicks were heavily to kings advantage and the lack of pressure at the contest, and then forward surge from midfield was at least 3 of those goals and 1 was on the sligshot very late.  Not sure what you want young to do, when the only time weitering got the better of King was when he managed to play in front of him and took a mark over head.  Weiters spoiled King a few times, but he's a big guy and with that delivery chopping off in front isnt enough to stop him.

Weiters has put in his worst season.  Thats ok, it happens to everyone eventually but the finger pointing at others is ridiculous.   Young didn't have a great game but the mark king took with knee on youngs head suggest he wasn't scared of getting in the hole, and weitering was once again playing back shoulder. 

Kings been a dud for most of the journey but he's in career best form, and saying young is responsible is just a bit unfair i reckon. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #43
I wouldnt say Cripps was smashed but he was unusually undisciplined I thought.

Cripps was smashed ... by the umpires!  If only he got a smidgeon of the care that the umpires show towards Rowell.  Cripps got one free and was penalised three times.  Rowell got five frees and was penalised twice.  Both laid eight tackles and copped much the same treatment without the ball.  If Rowell's five frees were there, Crippa should have got eight.

The 50m penalty was an absolute joke - no wonder Cripps looked puzzled and frustrated.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 22 202 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #44
I wouldnt say Cripps was smashed but he was unusually undisciplined I thought.

Cripps was smashed ... by the umpires!  If only he got a smidgeon of the care that the umpires show towards Rowell.  Cripps got one free and was penalised three times.  Rowell got five frees and was penalised twice.  Both laid eight tackles and copped much the same treatment without the ball.  If Rowell's five frees were there, Crippa should have got eight.

The 50m penalty was an absolute joke - no wonder Cripps looked puzzled and frustrated.
yeah cripps was tackled off the ball in that one, but I think what was paid was a late tackle on the suns player after getting kicked it forward.

End result was a down field free kick where the ball was kicked to, and I dont believe the call was correct to start with, and it should have been reversed given the infringement.

I said it last week, somehow we get penalised for blocks off the ball and holding in defense and attack.  For some reason our opposition tend to get different rules to play by including tackles without the footy, illegal disposals and at times play on calls, not 15 metres.  There was one tour miller hit up a leading forward.  The mark was at about 35 our and miller kicked it inside the 50 metre arc so, it would have been on the edge of 15 at best.  We kick it 25 metres and its play on not 15.

Who knows what goes through the umpires heads.   Im guessing not much as they'd be thick as bricks.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson