Carlton Supporters Club

Paul im as change averse as anyone, but sometimes you have to acknowledge when your coach just doesnt have us on the right trajectory.

I sat behind the goals at ground level so btw that and the goons in front us standing up all the time, it was to “see” the game. My comments are
As follows:
- we controlled the game quite well in the first half
- we transitioned the ball very well in the first half.
- at about the 10 min mark of the 3rd, we looked out of petrol and fatigued. The mistakes started at that point.
 I thought it was going to be a tough assignment  but a 12 goal to 4 3rd was as bad as I have seen from us. I dont know what we do at the 1/2 time break in the rooms with food and drink but its been a while that we come out in the 3rd looking they need a sleep because their bellies are full.
Not a good start to 2027

If you go back and watch the replay, you'll find Swans dobbing goals from on or outside the F50 arc, that's a night out and they were on a high.

I'm now wondering which player(s) will be leaving at seasons end!!!
3 of our best left last year!!!
Players of that calibre don't leave unless there is something drastically wrong at the club.

So 5 minutes into the 3rd quarter the boys decided not to play for Voss? Don't think so.

We haven't ran out games well since we sacked Andrew Russell.

I'm now wondering which player(s) will be leaving at seasons end!!!
3 of our best left last year!!!
Players of that calibre don't leave unless there is something drastically wrong at the club.

You would have to have rocks in your head to think we were going to win.

Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 10:22:19 am

Paul im as change averse as anyone, but sometimes you have to acknowledge when your coach just doesnt have us on the right trajectory.

Leave aside supporter analysis for the minute. As far as the club is concerned, they need to :
a. correctly identify where the problems lie
b. make correct decisions based on correct analysis.

If it turns out that Voss is the or a problem, then fine. But I very much doubt it. The club (however abstractly or concretely you may wish to define that entity) has IMO, simply forgotten how to win. This is self evident and has played out across a variety of regimes, coaches, list managers, etc., and apart from some progress here and there, is still struggling to be like Hawthorn, Geelong etc. You can have all sorts of arguments about what comes first (winning or winning culture), you can have all sorts of arguments about coaches, players, list managers that you either  love or hate etc., but until the club has that breakthrough moment, there will always be that element of doubt in the minds of players, coaches etc. That mental space is hard to pinpoint and hard to define, but very real IMO.

Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 10:22:19 am

Paul im as change averse as anyone, but sometimes you have to acknowledge when your coach just doesnt have us on the right trajectory.

Leave aside supporter analysis for the minute. As far as the club is concerned, they need to :
a. correctly identify where the problems lie
b. make correct decisions based on correct analysis.

If it turns out that Voss is the or a problem, then fine. But I very much doubt it. The club (however abstractly or concretely you may wish to define that entity) has IMO, simply forgotten how to win. This is self evident and has played out across a variety of regimes, coaches, list managers, etc., and apart from some progress here and there, is still struggling to be like Hawthorn, Geelong etc. You can have all sorts of arguments about what comes first (winning or winning culture), you can have all sorts of arguments about coaches, players, list managers that you either  love or hate etc., but until the club has that breakthrough moment, there will always be that element of doubt in the minds of players, coaches etc. That mental space is hard to pinpoint and hard to define, but very real IMO.

im not saying make the call now, but if it comes when it comes this continuation of trend will stand as one of the reasons why.

A little while ago, I mentioned downhill skiing would be an improvement.  We got there at times, where we are gold provided we are on top.

Thay evolution needs to happen.  I know that quarter was damaging for various reasons but the way the Swans piled on goals last night was typical of an issue identified back in covid years which cost teague his job.

Sure is very real.

Why does our discipline, focus and intensity drop so dramatically when challenged? Why do we react (or simply drop our bundle) rather than respond? Why is our mental discipline and toughness so fickle? Do we collectively sulk when we're scored against? Is there an element of downhill skier in our culture?

Mentally tough individuals and teams love adversity, they love being challenged and tested. We seem to fear adversity and challenge. Mentally tough individuals and teams step into and confront fear(s), whereas also-rans seek ways to avoid fear(s).