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Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #210 –
What are the chances of Goddard copping a fine for " simulation" ??

Touhy shoved him in the chest and he went straight for his jaw(ala Waite last week).....not even a mention of this from the commentators. makes me sick!
Too little and Way too late. Pull your fingers out boys!!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #211 –
Quote from: denimundies – on
I don't mean to offend anyone, particularly given its so soon after such a deflating loss, but how anyone  can come up with the conclusion that we have the personnel required to be a genuine finals contender, but for poor coaching, is misguided IMO. What we have is the core of side that has reached its potential, and for which that potential is now being shown up as not up to the level of the serious contenders. We can't keep rating our potential on the basis of what it was 3 years ago, That potential was simply that -potential, but its come to its fruition and its simply not adequate to compete with some sides. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

You dont offend me DU...been saying it for years that this list will take us nowhere....you have a crap list with a coach stuck in the past and who is teaching a gameplan that our lowly skilled players cannot play and you get results like last night.....

Mossie, Sheik and others are right ..we need to start fresh and wipe out the admin/board and playing list.....

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #212 –
We will get better, but when you consider that our best player of the last few years (outside of Judd) was acquired through mishap rather than intent, you realise just how poor our infield thinking has been (If you recall Ratts  preference for the Fev  trade was NOT Hendo). You reap in future what you plant today. The level of quality of our current side was planted years ago,
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

― Mark Twain

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #213 –
Quote from: bigblue – on
What are the chances of Goddard copping a fine for " simulation" ??

Touhy shoved him in the chest and he went straight for his jaw(ala Waite last week).....not even a mention of this from the commentators. makes me sick!

I have to say I F&*^ HATE THAT GUY. arrogant &*^% mouthing off at Bucks last night.
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

― Mark Twain

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #214 –
Quote from: denimundies – on
The level of quality of our current side was planted years ago,

So when MM said last year there would be wholesale changes to the list, why did this fail to materialise? If he was blocked by the board then we need a spill ASAP. If he was speaking $hit he needs to be shown the door.
IN WADA WE TRUST

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #215 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: denimundies – on
I don't mean to offend anyone, particularly given its so soon after such a deflating loss, but how anyone  can come up with the conclusion that we have the personnel required to be a genuine finals contender, but for poor coaching, is misguided IMO. What we have is the core of side that has reached its potential, and for which that potential is now being shown up as not up to the level of the serious contenders. We can't keep rating our potential on the basis of what it was 3 years ago, That potential was simply that -potential, but its come to its fruition and its simply not adequate to compete with some sides. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

You dont offend me DU...been saying it for years that this list will take us nowhere....you have a crap list with a coach stuck in the past and who is teaching a gameplan that our lowly skilled players cannot play and you get results like last night.....

Mossie, Sheik and others are right ..we need to start fresh and wipe out the admin/board and playing list.....

While not a premiership list the list has got us to finals 4 of the last 5 years BUT it doesn't work hard enough. So in effect your correct in what you're saying. We do need to start fresh all the way from the top (eg Board) down to properly sort our culture.

Some blokes aren't good enough, game plan doesn't suit us but the playing list list probably needs a medium re-build more than a full  one. Enough to increasing the standard as well as an attitude change.

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #216 –
Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on
Quote from: denimundies – on
The level of quality of our current side was planted years ago,

So when MM said last year there would be wholesale changes to the list, why did this fail to materialise? If he was blocked by the board then we need a spill ASAP. If he was speaking $hit he needs to be shown the door.

Clearly an error of Judgement, but lets face it, he saw less of our side than we did and we all knew we weren't as good as some media scribes were painting us to be. In any case that is a separate issue and capitalising on it to strengthen an argument because of dislike of the person is pointless. The fact is we farrrked up before his arrival and the wheels were already set in motion.
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

― Mark Twain

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #217 –
Our midfield would not work in an iron lung - that's where the changes need to start, and bl00dy soon.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #218 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Our midfield would not work in an iron lung - that's where the changes need to start, and bl00dy soon.

It resembles what it was pre Judd. Judd masked the lack of quality in that area of the ground. The countless drafts since Judds arrival have failed to address it.
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

― Mark Twain

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #219 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: denimundies – on
I don't mean to offend anyone, particularly given its so soon after such a deflating loss, but how anyone  can come up with the conclusion that we have the personnel required to be a genuine finals contender, but for poor coaching, is misguided IMO. What we have is the core of side that has reached its potential, and for which that potential is now being shown up as not up to the level of the serious contenders. We can't keep rating our potential on the basis of what it was 3 years ago, That potential was simply that -potential, but its come to its fruition and its simply not adequate to compete with some sides. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

You dont offend me DU...been saying it for years that this list will take us nowhere....you have a crap list with a coach stuck in the past and who is teaching a gameplan that our lowly skilled players cannot play and you get results like last night.....

Mossie, Sheik and others are right ..we need to start fresh and wipe out the admin/board and playing list.....

While not a premiership list the list has got us to finals 4 of the last 5 years BUT it doesn't work hard enough. So in effect your correct in what you're saying. We do need to start fresh all the way from the top (eg Board) down to properly sort our culture.

Some blokes aren't good enough, game plan doesn't suit us but the playing list list probably needs a medium re-build more than a full  one. Enough to increasing the standard as well as an attitude change.

Jim, what's your idea of a "medium" player rebuild, in percentage terms ? 10% of the list, 20% etc.

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #220 –
Not unlike the Kreuzer statement about playing forward, what is happening to Everitt is the perfect example of where our MC and coaches are going wrong.

Everitt come to us having made a niche for himself at the Swans with his best games played as an attacking hard running wingmen.

Everitt spent the bulk of Sunday night on the full back line!

There are plenty of other cases.
 - Hendo all over the shop.
 - Jammo from fullback to full forward.
 - Rowe a KPD, KPF and ruckmen.
 - White HBF, HFF, Wing.
 - Gibbs mostly everywhere except on the ball!

Our game plan must read like this;

You go there and stop him, you go there and stop him, you go there and stop him
You go there and stop him, you go there and stop him, you go there and stop him
You go there and stop him, you go there and stop him, you go there and stop him
You go there and stop him, you go there and stop him, you go there and stop him
You go there and stop him, you go there and stop him, you go there and stop him
You go there and stop him, you go there and stop him, you go there and stop him
You go there and stop him, you go there and stop him
You kick goals
(Sub) You wait here until the result is out of reach and then go there and stop him!

Where is the balance?

We have 1st Rnd draft picks who can clearly play football, but they have been micro-managed into oblivion!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #221 –
Dont know if I agree with that assessment LP.

Our lack of balance in the team selected meant that last night we were completely mismatched all over the backline.

Everitt actually started on Goddard, and he got dragged into the last line of defense, where Goddard was tearing him a new one.

Add that to the fact that we got creamed without the ball, and when we did get it, we turned it over at will, it resulted in our entire team being stuck in our defensive third of the ground.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #222 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: denimundies – on
I don't mean to offend anyone, particularly given its so soon after such a deflating loss, but how anyone  can come up with the conclusion that we have the personnel required to be a genuine finals contender, but for poor coaching, is misguided IMO. What we have is the core of side that has reached its potential, and for which that potential is now being shown up as not up to the level of the serious contenders. We can't keep rating our potential on the basis of what it was 3 years ago, That potential was simply that -potential, but its come to its fruition and its simply not adequate to compete with some sides. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

You dont offend me DU...been saying it for years that this list will take us nowhere....you have a crap list with a coach stuck in the past and who is teaching a gameplan that our lowly skilled players cannot play and you get results like last night.....

Mossie, Sheik and others are right ..we need to start fresh and wipe out the admin/board and playing list.....

While not a premiership list the list has got us to finals 4 of the last 5 years BUT it doesn't work hard enough. So in effect your correct in what you're saying. We do need to start fresh all the way from the top (eg Board) down to properly sort our culture.

Some blokes aren't good enough, game plan doesn't suit us but the playing list list probably needs a medium re-build more than a full  one. Enough to increasing the standard as well as an attitude change.

Jim, what's your idea of a "medium" player rebuild, in percentage terms ? 10% of the list, 20% etc.

We have good players but the average ones are of a similar type. For example we have Curnow, Bell, Robbo, Ellard, McLean in the midfield. Too similar in type, not quick. You need some and a back up of good , hard foot soldiers but that's too many of the one type. Curnow and Bell are the two you'd play, you'd replace the rest with different types over time. So it's more about the areas are letting us down and re-building those areas than a complete re-build.

You'd talk hard to Frawley to get him over and tell Gibbs he's welcome to go back to SA. The money you save there you use to shore up the defence with Frawley That allows Henderson to go forward. Gibbs is class but one of those that tends to cruise too much.

Just an example.

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #223 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Add that to the fact that we got creamed without the ball, and when we did get it, we turned it over at will, it resulted in our entire team being stuck in our defensive third of the ground.

To get out of the back line you must have a target for the ball and some form of transport to get it there. The likes of Garlett and Ellard are not targets, and blokes like Bell and Robbo won't get it there anyway!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #224 –
There's only one reason for our current state and it's the abysmal recruiting by the club in the last decade.
The number one picks, Yarran, Judd and Thomas are all very good players and Jamison as a rookie was a good get but the only half decent player we've taken outside the top 10 in the ND in the last decade is Robbo and he's as rough as guts.
It's been a litany of failure, and now we just don't have the cattle.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.