Zac Williams was door stopped at PP yesterday, said he is still learning to play midfield. The most expensive trainer wheels in the comp, FMD!
What do you expect 113 games over 8 years at another club on a HBF He spent 77% of his 11 games in defence in 2020 We pay him $4.8 million over 6 years to be a quick outside mid because we were a slow team in 2020 and because he played one good midfield game in a preliminary in the wet A nominated it to be a screwing disaster So far I am right We are a dumb club and that’s why we have not played in a preliminary for 20 years Finished bottom 6 thirteen times over 20 years in a period of growing equalization.
Now onto another matter Williams is clearly injured I live in Busselton in WA I would be happy to part with some money to be a member even though I probably could go to only one game when The Blues play in Perth. I won’t when the club won’t tell its supporters what is wrong with a guy who they have paid so much money for So screw the club
Keogh cops crap all the time on the other site too with his crap going all the way back to the days where he said Ratten was no good. How is that turning out for him. We could win 6 flags and the place would still be no good in his eyes. There's an ignore button on the other site thankfully.
I think your Jim are you Or someone who on TC that doesn’t like what I post or thinks I post negative posts for the sake of it So one last post for you and everyone else Facts In the last 20 years we have Finished last 5 times Finished bottom six 13 times We have played 4 final series one a token because Essendon took drugs No Prelim appearances This during a period of equalization Such as National draft Rookie Draft Pre season draft Mid season draft Soft cap Salary cap That record my friend is screwing crap Hopefully there will be change either in the sides on field effort or off it if we are still average Believe me I want success but I reckon it won’t happen with who is currently on the board
He takes a somewhat valid hypothesis and adds so much Mayo to it that it can't help but be wrong.
Fyi keogh, Williams was a free agent that cost zero picks.
And 850000 a season for 5 He ain’t worth that Combined with Mc Govern, Martin Saad Setterfield money and draft picks Collectively On the Mc Govern trade it was very detailed and confusing Basically we gave pick 13 to Sydney in exchange for pick 26 and 28 Sydney also gave Adelaide pick 40 We traded away pick 26 and 28 plus Shane McAdam who we had as compensation for finishing last. On top of all this we received a future third round pick and gave the Crows a future fifth round pick. We did not use that future third round pick in the 2019 draft. Somehow it got used in a deal for GWS to secure Jake Riccardi who like MCAdam looks the goods. No screwing Mayo there😂 Anyway my last post till we finish the season I agreed with one poster Guys like Owies, Honey, Gibbons Cottrell etc impress me more than some others who got games in the senior game And it all comes back the board Let’s see how the season pans out Anyway c u all in about 6 months
OK, lets play. In 2015, we had a bad year, sacked Malthouse and installed Bolton. In 2016, we went 7 and 15 with a percentage of 79.3% In 2016, Richmond went 8 and 14 with a percentage of 79.5%. We played Tigers in R1 (Boltons first game as coach of carlton) and we lost by 9 points. Swap that result and we finish above the tigers.
People were calling for Hardwicks head. He was nearly sacked.
Tigers kept him, despite being (barely) above what was a wooden spoon club the year before.
Did they have a crap list? That same list has won 3 of the next 4 grand finals.
It was not the list....despite some saying it was. Are you part of the 'some' now? If we win 3 of the next 4.....is it still a crap list?
There will come a time where we stop trying to blame everything that came before us, focus on where we actually are and accept it.
I get it, you are skeptical. You have seen it all before. If it angers you so much, don't watch. Maybe, just maybe, the tide is turning right before your eyes.
In any work place if it isn’t meeting it’s targets the reasons start from the top. What you fail to recognize is what I said about 9 of Richmond’s premiership 22 not coming from top 50 picks in the AFL draft. Name me the players SOS recruited from non top 50 picks in his 4 years before he cracked the craps and screwed off Or conversely name me all the spuds he recruited from other AFL clubs who are gone It would be a long post Who gave SOS the job The board because he was a mate of LoGiudice Now Austin has cashed all his chips in by giving up some picks to get Williams who is ok Saad who is overrated because he doesn’t play tight enough and Fogarty who has done nothing Add Martin to the mix who is a super squib the most overrated player in the comp who was on 1 million last year and the McGovern trade which is on the path to being one of the worst trades in the last 30 years particularly if McAdam continues his form. And all Blues supporters should have an interest in Kreuger at Geelong who we gave up for Setterfield not to mention a pick in the 20s We still have “ the big banana “ theory proud strong and upfront at the club which all stems from the out of touch LoGiudice Pratt’s Mathiesons and Judd’s of this world. I left TC temporarily I will leave this site temporarily This is the year we make our mark Right! We have bought in big My view is our list has more holes than Swiss cheese and you have to recruit damm well to win flag not recruit overrated players with free agency and stupid trades If you look at what Richmond have done over the last 6 or so years in their recruiting they have Picked up so many terrific players like Baker, Broad,Short with late picks or rookie picks from virtually nowhere. Look at their list . There is a heap of them. It’s got nothing to do with what they were like ten years ago, 6 years ago. Martin wouldn’t have one Norm Smith if it wasn’t for guys like Broad etc. I say it every year. The best bottom 6 players on Grand Final day win you the Flag Do your own research. Marion Pickett was easily the best player in the country outside the AFLand we could have picked him up for nothing yet we chose a spud like Deluca. I am convinced that success now is largely due to List Management and who are your recruiters not so much the coaches . SOSs recruiting was crap overall. With what Austin and Brodie did last year I can assume they think the list is up to it and we just need that added pace . What SOS did at the end of 2018 which was our worst year on record was inexcusable in getting McGovern and Setterfield for 3 picks in the 20s and giving up McAdam who looks good and Kreuger who with Taylor gone and a good run with injuries might be ok too. It’s narrow minded recruiting But let’s see how 2021 pans out Either way I’ll be back to eat humble pie on both sites or you and a few others can tell skeptics like me why we have been so average for so long.
Firstly, past history does not give an accurate presentation of our current list. Your little stat shaming exercise would be similar to what Richmond's was before they went nuts and won 3 out of 4 flags. By your logic, tigers had a crap list because it was crap in the past. Doesn't make sense.
Finally, all the other negativity aside....our recruiting actually targeted areas of need... and filled them. When was the last time you could say that? As for cap space... you have to pay someone. Your list analysis says we lack talent... and you don't want to pay the new recruits... so who are you paying? Gotta pay someone, might as well be new recruits who fill a need, rather than the hacks who have given us nothing over the past 20 years.... right?
You can't have it both ways.
What you fail to realize is O’ Neal become President in 2013. Four years later the dynasty starts. That’s not a coincidence. How long has LoGiudence been in the job Of course Kernahan before that Pratt Elliott There lies the problem dude
Proof will be in pudding as always As for Richmond Their recruiting is the best in the business Particularly in the last 4 years They have depth Williams Saad Mc Govern Martin Those 4 combined cost us 3 million a season We given up draft picks to get 2 of them Liam Baker gets rookied running around for Subi Is better than all of them On less cash 9 of Richmond’s last 2 premiership teams contain players who were not top 50 picks in the National Draft Dow SPS OBrien all too 10 picks haven’t delivered so far Good List Management is the key to success these days It’s the game breaker
1.5 million and a pick 8 so they should Saad leaked goals in first half Is purely a player in the easiest position on the ground Williams is a very good player but he did nothing in the last We are asking a player to become a mid week in week out after he has played virtually all his career in defense So he should on $850000 a year for 5 years Martin by the way is so overrated What has he achieved in his career so far Poor recruiting over the last 5 years I look at the list overall and there are too many average players IMO we overate our list we have for the last 20 Years 5 spoons 13 bottom 6 finishes 4 final appearances one a token No preliminary final experience There is your proof we overate our list We lack pace so we recruit 3 establish players who are quick give up picks and salary cap space and the presumption is we will be ok We won’t progress unless SPS Dow OBrien etc get better
More than what we've got at the moment I'd think Keogh? We've recruited quite a few over recent years but at the moment, Cripps and Walsh are probably the only two A-Graders? Murphy is coming towards the end as is Curnow (who is more of a run-with mid anyway). The jury is still out on Dow and O'Brien and the young guys from last year's draft are unproven at the moment too. Kennedy seems to be out of favour. What we've really lacked with midfielders is someone with elite disposal skills able to hit a target up forward. SPS certainly has those skills but hasn't been able to find enough of the ball when running through the middle.
With the likes of Saad, Newman, Williamson, Plowman etc down back, this season could be the time for SPS to move back into the middle?
Yes, everyone knows that but the MC identified a need for a small defender who can keep his opponent quiet and hit targets coming out of defence. Getting the defence right has been our priority and Samo is an important part of that.
He will only move into the midfield or forward line when someone like Stocker shows that they can play that defensive role as well as Samo.
If you read SOS’s comments about Samo, he was drafted to play midfield, half forward or “other positions”. He is playing in “other positions” now because that’s where he’s needed.
Samo doesn’t have a say in where he’s played, he just does what the coach tells him. If you have a problem with Samo playing in defence, you should be directing any criticism at Teague 🙄
What was he pick 6 Hasn’t delivered in the midfield when he has been put there You need close to 10 players rotating through there successfully to be a top 4 team. Did you watch any of the top 4 teams this year?
He was recruited to play midfield Simple as that Fair enough in the first couple of years he may play in defense but the last 18 months he has gone backwards. Saad, Williams, SPS , Docherty need to spend time in the middle
