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Reply #60 –
Quote from: keogh – on
That’s right
Just deflect
What has he done so far in 4 years


Education ?
Roads ?
Public sanitation ?
Literacy ?
Aqueduct ?
Hits targets coming out of defense ?
Stops opponent scoring goals ?

Apart from that, bloody nothing !
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #61 –
Quote from: keogh – on
That’s right
Just deflect
What has he done so far in 4 years

Samo has played every game for which he has been available so two coaches and MCs must think he’s doing OK.

In 2020 he:
> Was ranked first in the AFL for ground ball gets inside the defensive 50.
> Had very few goals kicked by direct opponents.
> Generally hit targets coming out of defence.
> Always stood up for his teammates.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #62 –
Has played the last 18 months at HB
That’s not what he was recruited for

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Reply #63 –
Quote from: keogh – on
Has played the last 18 months at HB
That’s not what he was recruited for

Yes, everyone knows that but the MC identified a need for a small defender who can keep his opponent quiet and hit targets coming out of defence.  Getting the defence right has been our priority and Samo is an important part of that. 

He will only move into the midfield or forward line when someone like Stocker shows that they can play that defensive role as well as Samo.

If you read SOS’s comments about Samo, he was drafted to play midfield, half forward or “other positions”.  He is playing in “other positions” now because that’s where he’s needed.

Samo doesn’t have a say in where he’s played, he just does what the coach tells him.  If you have a problem with Samo playing in defence, you should be directing any criticism at Teague 🙄
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #64 –

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Quote from: DJC – on
Yes, everyone knows that but the MC identified a need for a small defender who can keep his opponent quiet and hit targets coming out of defence.  Getting the defence right has been our priority and Samo is an important part of that. 

He will only move into the midfield or forward line when someone like Stocker shows that they can play that defensive role as well as Samo.

If you read SOS’s comments about Samo, he was drafted to play midfield, half forward or “other positions”.  He is playing in “other positions” now because that’s where he’s needed.

Samo doesn’t have a say in where he’s played, he just does what the coach tells him.  If you have a problem with Samo playing in defence, you should be directing any criticism at Teague 🙄

Spot=on DJC.
Against the drug cheat scum bags this year Samo was playing on the little goal kicking forward ,  ( sorry, can.t remember his name ) , and kept him to one kick only up to three quarter time.
The cheats moved him away for the last quarter.
Well done Samo.
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Reply #65 –
Quote from: sandsmere – on

Spot=on DJC.
Against the drug cheat scum bags this year Samo was playing on the little goal kicking forward ,  ( sorry, can.t remember his name ) , and kept him to one kick only up to three quarter time.
The cheats moved him away for the last quarter.
Well done Samo.

Fantasia or McDonald-Tipungwuti

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Reply #66 –
Quote from: sandsmere – on

Spot=on DJC.
Against the drug cheat scum bags this year Samo was playing on the little goal kicking forward ,  ( sorry, can.t remember his name ) , and kept him to one kick only up to three quarter time.
The cheats moved him away for the last quarter.
Well done Samo.
Tippa.....he played well that night, didnt get much ball himself but Tippa never touched it.
I think the problem with SPS is defining his role, being down back he is expected to defend but he is also expected to get 20 possies a game and provide rebound. Most rebounding defenders who are expected to get high numbers play loose and dont defend. Houli does that at Richmond and the other backs cover for him, we also had Simmo playing that loose role and now have Saad. How many rebounders can you have who dont man up and are we asking a bit too much of SPS to play both roles?

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Reply #67 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Yes, everyone knows that but the MC identified a need for a small defender who can keep his opponent quiet and hit targets coming out of defence.  Getting the defence right has been our priority and Samo is an important part of that. 

He will only move into the midfield or forward line when someone like Stocker shows that they can play that defensive role as well as Samo.

If you read SOS’s comments about Samo, he was drafted to play midfield, half forward or “other positions”.  He is playing in “other positions” now because that’s where he’s needed.

Samo doesn’t have a say in where he’s played, he just does what the coach tells him.  If you have a problem with Samo playing in defence, you should be directing any criticism at Teague 🙄

What was he pick 6
Hasn’t delivered in the midfield when he has been put there
You need close to 10 players rotating through there successfully to be a top 4 team.
Did you watch any of the top 4 teams this year?

No excuses left for  Samo

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Reply #68 –
Quote from: keogh – on
What was he pick 6
Hasn’t delivered in the midfield when he has been put there
You need close to 10 players rotating through there successfully to be a top 4 team.
Did you watch any of the top 4 teams this year?

No excuses left for  Samo

Next........
 

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Reply #70 –
More than what we've got at the moment I'd think Keogh? We've recruited quite a few over recent years but at the moment, Cripps and Walsh are probably the only two A-Graders? Murphy is coming towards the end as is Curnow (who is more of a run-with mid anyway). The jury is still out on Dow and O'Brien and the young guys from last year's draft are unproven at the moment too. Kennedy seems to be out of favour. What we've really lacked with midfielders is someone with elite disposal skills able to hit a target up forward. SPS certainly has those skills but hasn't been able to find enough of the ball when running through the middle.

With the likes of Saad, Newman, Williamson, Plowman etc down back, this season could be the time for SPS to move back into the middle?

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Reply #71 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
More than what we've got at the moment I'd think Keogh? We've recruited quite a few over recent years but at the moment, Cripps and Walsh are probably the only two A-Graders? Murphy is coming towards the end as is Curnow (who is more of a run-with mid anyway). The jury is still out on Dow and O'Brien and the young guys from last year's draft are unproven at the moment too. Kennedy seems to be out of favour. What we've really lacked with midfielders is someone with elite disposal skills able to hit a target up forward. SPS certainly has those skills but hasn't been able to find enough of the ball when running through the middle.

With the likes of Saad, Newman, Williamson, Plowman etc down back, this season could be the time for SPS to move back into the middle?
Thanks for the decent reply👍

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Reply #72 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
More than what we've got at the moment I'd think Keogh? We've recruited quite a few over recent years but at the moment, Cripps and Walsh are probably the only two A-Graders? Murphy is coming towards the end as is Curnow (who is more of a run-with mid anyway). The jury is still out on Dow and O'Brien and the young guys from last year's draft are unproven at the moment too. Kennedy seems to be out of favour. What we've really lacked with midfielders is someone with elite disposal skills able to hit a target up forward. SPS certainly has those skills but hasn't been able to find enough of the ball when running through the middle.

With the likes of Saad, Newman, Williamson, Plowman etc down back, this season could be the time for SPS to move back into the middle?
Well if you look at the article which I started this thread with, that aint happening any time soon.
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Reply #73 –
Which is hard to fathom GTC? As many have stated on this and other threads, our defence is probably the one area that we are covered....apart from maybe a key defender if one of Jones or Weitering goes down (hence Oscar McDonald training with the club). We have probably lacked that good ball use coming out of defence but with Saad and Docherty, I think SPS could be better used in the middle. Hopefully Stocker comes on this year as he's another option down back as a shut down smaller type of defender.

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Reply #74 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Which is hard to fathom GTC? As many have stated on this and other threads, our defence is probably the one area that we are covered....apart from maybe a key defender if one of Jones or Weitering goes down (hence Oscar McDonald training with the club). We have probably lacked that good ball use coming out of defence but with Saad and Docherty, I think SPS could be better used in the middle. Hopefully Stocker comes on this year as he's another option down back as a shut down smaller type of defender.

Not really.  Teague has made it clear why Samo is required in defence. I think that it will take someone like Stocker showing that they can perform the role just as well before Samo is released to play as a midfielder or half forward.  Newman regaining fitness and form will be another option.

As for our midfield rotations, 2020 saw us using Cripps, Walsh, Murphy, Curnow, Setterfield, Newnes, Martin, Gibbons, Kennedy, Betts, Dow, O'Brien, Cottrell, Philp, Fisher and Cuningham, and I think that Simmo and Doc may have had an occasional run through the guts too.  This season we will add Williams and possibly Fogarty, Stocker, Kemp, Durden and Carroll.

We have an abundance of midfielders and half forwards who can can take a turn in the midfield.  We mightn't have the quality midfielders of other teams but we have the quantity and potential to achieve that quality.

We don't have a lot of small defenders who can shut down an opponent and hit a target under pressure.  Newman is probably the closest to Samo in terms of role and skillset, but he doesn't have the same poise.  Saad and Docherty play very different roles with Saad literally replacing Simmo and Docherty continuing his loose man role.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!