Carlton Supporters Club

Just watched the game again. Talk about no defensive IQ; talk about no respect for the defensive aspect of the game.

As good a player as he HASBEEN, I thought we were in big trouble when Murphy was listed as the medical sub. 

Without Eddie to chase everything and everyone around the forward line, the lack of desire (or pace) to chase (Cripps, Kennedy, Martin, Owies, Dow) allowed the Kangas to run unmolested out of our forward line.

Absolutely spot on. The ones we miss imo is Harry Doc Cunningham and Pit the rest are in and out of the senior team or vfl grade. Our injury list is long but the quality of players out is not strong.

You watch next week when eddie (his last year) and Williams (who has done sfa) miss they will be used to to the why saints beat us.

You watch.

Just watched the game again. Talk about no defensive IQ; talk about no respect for the defensive aspect of the game. It was as if we turned back the clock to pre bye performances... the old one-way thinking and strategy - only offense matters.

Taking Kennedy out of the midfield was a huge mistake. He's been the bull in there since the bye. Should have looked at other options to support the forward line.

I was struck by the room the Kanga forwards had in which to isolate themselves against solitary defenders to prevent them supporting each other.

After half time, the defenders were powerless to defend against forwards who had so much space and attackers who could deliver the ball in the face of zero pressure. 

As good a player as he HASBEEN, I thought we were in big trouble when Murphy was listed as the medical sub. 

Without Eddie to chase everything and everyone around the forward line, the lack of desire (or pace) to chase (Cripps, Kennedy, Martin, Owies, Dow) allowed the Kangas to run unmolested out of our forward line.

As for SPS - he had one of his better games as a midfielder/forward and does have the speed to chase but he rarely does - too often, when an opponent wins the ball, he strolls along behind and allows the opponent to get further ahead with every stride - my guess is that he trains at half pace and shows off his skills then plays the way he trains and has to make a concerted effort to actually run fast

Firstly, 95% of the people knew we would lose yesterday? BS. Everyone was arguing against me for suggesting it was even possible.

Secondly, correlation does not equal causation. You look at the end result - poor performance - and assume the same reason for it. That is your problem and the problem from the club as a whole over the past 2 decades.
Poor performance? - Sack the coach.
Poor performance? - Sack the coach
etc.

How about looking at it this way....
Poor performance under Brittain = Injuries
Poor performance under Pagan = Lost the players
Poor performance under Ratten = Injuries
Poor performance under Malthouse = fractured club
Poor performance under Bolton = lost the players
Poor performance under Teague = Injuries.

One thing Teague has been able to do is become competitive in our on-field performances. When he first took over, he had a youngish, inexperienced list with some aging stars. Now those kids are starting to come good and we can't field a side. It was only our competitiveness that has allowed us to put in an acceptable behaviour the last couple weeks. To be fair, this result should've occurred 3 weeks ago.

What is being said now is the same thing that was being said at the halfway point. Then, as predicted, we started playing some easier opposition and had players available and the wins 'miraculously' came. Now we have been hit by more injuries (and to key personnel) and our performances start to struggle again.

Its not rocket science guys.

So you choose an arbitrary time that we should be able to match it with them until we are blown away (the first quarter) which would be somewhat acceptable. We stay with them for longer than that.....and you complain?
Interesting logic there. Bit backwards if you ask me.

Re injured during half time break....
Not really true. Williams got.injured in the last minute of the first half. I noticed it at the time. He was subbed out at half time.
Eddie betts got injured late in the 2nd quarter. Had Williams not been injured betts wouldve been subbed out imo. He did nothing for the rest of the game and couldn't walk afterwards.
So that's 2. Enough to make a difference.
TBH, when I saw eddies ankle I thought to myself this might be the last time we see him in navy blue...ever. I don't think he'll play next week.

As for why we dropped our bundle...perhaps the above 2 were simply the straw that broke the camels back. You can only deal with so many hits before it all catches up with you. I thought Harry the out was the final straw. I was surprised how well we held up last week, and the week before....but north were on the ball and could smell blood and put in 4 quarters  unlike the last 2 opponents.

According to your logic,  injuries caused us to drop our bundle at the beginning of the third quarter, resulting in North kicking 7 goals to none. 

How then, with the same injuries, were we able to kick 6 goals in the last quarter?

I still believe that poor leadership combined with a poor list and the inability to concentrate for 4 quarters are our main problems.

We lucked out that Nth had Cunnington and Anderson back in and Weitering played his worst game for two seasons....how often do you see him drop an easy mark like that Williamson pass and then turn it over for an easy goal.
Too many lazy non caring types refusing to man up, chase and sacrifice.....Walsh had his hands full with Simpkin... Weitering and Jones were ordinary and there was no one to save the day this time. Cripps kicked some goals but also stuffed up a few good chains we setup with dodgy kicks and like a few others have said we probably messed up not playing Kennedy in the middle.
Cripps will struggle next week vs Steele so its going to be down to Walsh probably to carry the day vs the Saints.

The players don't believe the 'plan' (whatever it is) works....

Last night should see the end of Teague, enough is enough.

The players, coaches etc shat their beds - repeatedly - playing the 18th team in the competition.

All on a night that was Ed's 200th and with finals still a possibility.

Totally agree.

Sadly, this year has shown, IMHO, that The TT is a very limited, even one-dimensional, coach which really limits / inhibits creativity and initiative and change. He just hasn't stepped up to being a leader... and we're pretty bereft of leadership as it is.