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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #136 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
re: Eddie, been going ok but looking forward we need him to be nurturing an apprentice like he did at the Crows with Cameron.
Owies is a different type of player as is Fisher IMO and I'd like to see Eddie with a permanent apprentice like Durdin in the team who he can train up and fast track in the art of reading the play and creating for others...its the latter bit that makes Eddie so good IMO.The little tap ons, kicks around the corner when under pressure that find a man and knowing when to zig and not zag when you have a stoppage. A lot of it is natural talent like Cameron has anyway but Durdin has the raw tools with pace and nice kicking ability but just needs Eddie to teach him some smarts before Eddie gives it away.
Eddie is all flair and party tricks, Owies is a solid contributor who is dependable. Not flashy, wont kick a bags of goal but will kick truly more often than not when he gets an opportunity. He can learn plenty from Eddie, as can Fish and Fog (although I think Fog could be a decent mid).
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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #137 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Fisher is the one.

He uses the tap on very well.
He has the baulking ability, the agility and the creativity.

Will he ever get to be as good as Eddie Betts? No.....but nobody really has in 125 years, so i'm not expecting him too.
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #138 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.

Where does he want to play??
Not many other options for him.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #139 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Bit hard to have an impact if you never get on the ground.

True, but Cottrell is still the only player who didn't have an impact.  None of the 22 deserve to lose their place but you can't mount an argument that Cottrell should keep his on how well he warmed the pine.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #140 –
Quote from: Lods on
Where does he want to play??
Not many other options for him.
Midfield I would think.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #141 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.

He may not be happy, but he has a long way to go before he has first dibs on a small forward role and even longer before he would be in contention for a midfield role  ::)
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #142 –
Quote from: DJC on
He may not be happy, but he has a long way to go before he has first dibs on a small forward role and even longer before he would be in contention for a midfield role  ::)

Yes, something to do with beggars and choosers I would think.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #143 –
Still think he's a good player and wants to be more "involved" in the game.  That's a distinct positive, but you first have to earn your stripes.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #144 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Rumour (dont shoot the messenger) has it that he isn't happy with the small fwd role.

I wouldn't be at all surprised and wouldn't blame him for a second. He was recruited as a midfielder and IMHO is suited to that role. Trying to make him into a small forward is just another example of us playing blokes out of position.

Small forwards are a unique bunch. They signal their skill pretty early in their career and they love hanging around packs and creating something out of nothing. Once they've majored their craft you'll see them venture up the ground from time to time. Toby G, Milne, Edwardo... a few good examples.

But taking a natural midfielder and trying to mould him into a small forward just because he's small, is silly and counter-productive. Zachery is the kind of mid who creates something out of nothing around and in the roaming midfield pack. Plenty of very good mids have been runts. If The TT is serious about 'playing blokes to their strengths' then Zachery lines up around the midfield and is given license to drift forward - and back.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #145 –
Baggers nailed it... Small forwards are specialists, when you try and manufacture players for positions it usually backfires. The good ones are also strong in the air and can take a really good mark vs bigger players.
Fisher isn't great overhead like Eddie, Cameron, Ryan, Papley etc.. Doesn't mean he won't contribute but it's like buying a Suzuki Jimny as an off roader when you really need a Land cruiser..

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #146 –
He may then need to go elsewhere to find a midfield role, depending on how others continue to develop.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #147 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
He may then need to go elsewhere to find a midfield role, depending on how others continue to develop.

And maybe that's the harsh reality, Fluffy One. I'd like to see him have a fair-dinkum crack at being a mid but we've a few very promising mids on our development radar who are bigger bodied. What Zachery offers to the midfield, though, is creativity and unpredictable/clever moves. Many blokes move through the midfield these days... perhaps Zachery is a wingman with license to get into the action? But he aint a small forward... and I don't think Owies is either.

At the moment Owies is not getting the no.1 small forward defender. Edwardo is... We have to be aggressive in the trade period and get a bona fide small forward. I wonder if Owies might actually be a better defender on small forwards (which would free up Stocker to get into the midfield)? Owies does read the game well, and has a dash of mongrel.

You cannot manufacture a small forward - they're a unique, instinctual breed.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #148 –
Needs to get on the park first.  Fish spends more time injured than playing these days.
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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 16: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #149 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Needs to get on the park first.  Fish spends more time injured than playing these days.

He aint Robinson Crusoe in that regard!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17