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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #46 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Martin needs to play VFL.

I’ll pass on the “to get injured” comment
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We have few players who can walk straight back into the firsts.  Cerra was clearly underdone last week and may have been better off having a run in the Magoos or as the sub.

Martin is one player who I would bring straight back in.  He doesn’t need to get a lot of the ball to have an impact and we do need to get more out of our small forwards.

At the very least, the opposition defenders have to put work into him.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #47 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
I'm assuming Young only stayed in the side because of Cox.

Out: Williams, Young
In: Kemp, McGovern

I would add to your outs, Fantasia.
And his replacement, Martin.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Baggers on
I would add to your outs, Fantasia.
And his replacement, Martin.

Martin could be started sub, break down after 10 minutes of game time and still give us more than what Fantasia gave us last game.

Must make that change as a minimum.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #49 –
Under normal circumstances Martin, McGovern and Marchbank would get time in the VFL after being on the sidelines for so long, but given their susceptibility to injury can we afford to have them injured in the VFL rather than playing them in the firsts?

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #50 –
Martin won't be fit enough. He needs match fitness in the VFL.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #51 –
Depth is obviously not good enough. Marchbank and Martin have never played a full season and not sure they should be at the club next season. Kemp is durable and still gobsmacked he was dropped and still gobsmacked Kennedy was sub. Expect the unexpected.

To keep top four chances alive this is a must win match.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #52 –
I think it's time to give Binns a go.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #53 –
Quote from: pinot on
Depth is obviously not good enough. Marchbank and Martin have never played a full season and not sure they should be at the club next season. Kemp is durable and still gobsmacked he was dropped and still gobsmacked Kennedy was sub. Expect the unexpected.

To keep top four chances alive this is a must win match.

How many players at Geelong play a full season?

We don't need to play the same players each and every game.
We should be smart about rotations, not just during game, but week to week.

What good does it do your 'best 22' by playing them every week and running them into the ground when they are most likely carrying niggles for most of that.
What good does it do your 'next 22' by playing them in the 2's every week and expecting them to be up to AFL standard when called upon?

Managing players is something we haven't quite got the hang of yet like some of the better clubs.

Why do we need Martin, Marchbank....whoever to play every week? Let them rest and recover. What are we hurting, their pride??

Let Walsh see what its like to play in a side that doesn't have Cripps.
Let TDK see what its like to play in a side that doesn't have Charlie as the #1 go to.
Let McGovern play in a side that doesn't have Weitering as the #1 defender.

Trial this stuff during the season so everyone knows what to expect when 'something happens' and we are left trying to scramble and pick up the pieces.

Martin for 15 games a year and resting every 3rd week is all we need as a club.

Vossy should be at the forefront of this with what happened during his time under Lethal at the Lions. Get your team ready for the end of the year by being smart during the year.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #54 –
Not sure which grand final team past 20 years had key players missing for half a season...Saady injury is part of the footy gods the other two their bodies are not up to AFL football - I guess it comes down to how much we pay them if we pay them for half a year worth of input then okay if not then not okay.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #55 –
Quote from: pinot on
Depth is obviously not good enough. Marchbank and Martin have never played a full season and not sure they should be at the club next season. Kemp is durable and still gobsmacked he was dropped and still gobsmacked Kennedy was sub. Expect the unexpected.

To keep top four chances alive this is a must win match.

I'll go even deeper - Moir has had a tough run in the VFL in a very weak team limited with opportunity. He should be sub instead of Fantasia. Binns should definitely play full game - his outstanding and consistent form deserves it
 

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #56 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Martin won't be fit enough. He needs match fitness in the VFL.
If he's declared ready to play, he'll be fit enough. The days of needing matches in the 2s are over for players like Martin. Get him straight in.
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Reply #57 –
Quote from: pinot on
Not sure which grand final team past 20 years had key players missing for half a season...Saady injury is part of the footy gods the other two their bodies are not up to AFL football - I guess it comes down to how much we pay them if we pay them for half a year worth of input then okay if not then not okay.

Why 20 years? Because 23 years hurt your argument?
Triple premiership player Clark Keating played 20, 12 and 12 games in premiership years. The last of which he didn't play his 1st game until R15. THe next year when they were runner ups he only played 11 as well.

Geelong has made resting players a fine art with an ageing list. Danger, Selwood, Hawkins, Cameron.....whoever, they all get an extra rest of 2 throughout the year. Works for them.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #58 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Why 20 years? Because 23 years hurt your argument?
Triple premiership player Clark Keating played 20, 12 and 12 games in premiership years. The last of which he didn't play his 1st game until R15. THe next year when they were runner ups he only played 11 as well.

Geelong has made resting players a fine art with an ageing list. Danger, Selwood, Hawkins, Cameron.....whoever, they all get an extra rest of 2 throughout the year. Works for them.


I am not sure where you find Marchbank and Martin are being rested they have being rested for 5-6 years.

You are comparing players that will be lucky to get 10 games out of them per season to 200+ game players over the age of 30

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Reply #59 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
If he's declared ready to play, he'll be fit enough. The days of needing matches in the 2s are over for players like Martin. Get him straight in.

His base fitness levels are generally poor. Most players can come straight back in but not him. His first game back last year against the bombers had to be subbed off as he was absolutely spent.
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